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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Am I correct in assuming that you are advocating this feature because IBM believes that it is useful and plans to support it in</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some printer?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had previously thought that you proposed the feature because you thought some unknown vendor might want the feature.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One downside of this feature is that it requires the printer to be configured to know about some notification server and it requires</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>an IPP notification server which may or may not be a printer. All this adds up to a more complex solution to deploy and to administer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob Herriot</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=harryl@us.ibm.com href="mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com">Harry Lewis</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bob@herriot.com href="mailto:bob@herriot.com">Robert Herriot</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com href="mailto:hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com">Hastings, Tom N</A> ; <A title=imcdonald@sharplabs.com href="mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com">McDonald, Ira</A> ; <A title=ipp@pwg.org href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</A> ; <A title=mike@easysw.com href="mailto:mike@easysw.com">'Mike Sweet'</A> ; <A title=Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com href="mailto:Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com">Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com</A> ; <A title=TTRONSON@novell.com href="mailto:TTRONSON@novell.com">Ted Tronson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> IPP> Re: Last Call comment to remove redirect URL and status code from IPPGET</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>While I respect Bob's, Ira's, Ted's (and other's) opinions the conversation sure seems to have adopted an arbitrary tone w.r.t. to IPP bells, whistles and trinkets. If someone says they can use a simple feature like redirect I see no need to block it. If it were mind bending I would argue otherwise... but  redirect is quite simple by any gauge and doesn't even register on the scale of numbness many feel when first confronting IPP. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Notification redirect should consist of writing the client to accept a URL (in place of the printer URL) where it should expect to find subsequent notifications. </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I can always feature the redirect... so I guess I'm going down for last count w/o a big struggle. I don't  think Bob is correct in attributing lack of chatter as lack of significance. I think the spotlight is off IPP and you are witnessing the polling interval.  <BR>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM Printing Systems <BR>---------------------------------------------- </FONT><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Robert Herriot" <bob@herriot.com></B></FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>07/31/2002 03:05 AM</FONT> </P> <TD><FONT face=Arial size=1>        </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        To:        "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, "'Mike Sweet'" <mike@easysw.com>, "Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        cc:        Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, <Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com>, "Ted Tronson" <TTRONSON@novell.com>, "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, <ipp@pwg.org></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        Subject:        Re: Last Call comment to remove redirect URL and status code from IPPGET</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=1>       </FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Harry says that redirect is simple to implement. I agree, but implementation<BR>is only part of the issue.<BR>Each feature requires documentation, testing and support. There is no such<BR>thing as a free feature.<BR><BR>Very few people have responded to this issue and no one has said that it is<BR>a necessary feature.<BR><BR>So, it would seem hard to justify keeping a feature that.seems to have no<BR>value to anyone, but does have a cost to every vendor.<BR><BR>Bob Herriot<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com><BR>To: "'Mike Sweet'" <mike@easysw.com>; "Hastings, Tom N"<BR><hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com><BR>Cc: "Harry Lewis" <harryl@us.ibm.com>; <Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com>; "Ted<BR>Tronson" <TTRONSON@novell.com>; "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>;<BR>"Robert Herriot" <bob@herriot.com>; <ipp@pwg.org><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:46 PM<BR>Subject: RE: Last Call comment to remove redirect URL and status code from<BR>IPPGET<BR><BR><BR>> Hi,<BR>><BR>> If we keep it, remember it can be OPTIONAL to use but MUST be REQUIRED<BR>> to support (for the Client - that is, IPP Clients MUST honor and use<BR>> the redirect).<BR>><BR>> Does everyone want a new REQUIRED to implement application redirect<BR>> feature (for IPP Clients)?<BR>><BR>> I doubt it very much.  And that's the test that the IESG will apply,<BR>> for interoperability.<BR>><BR>> Cheers,<BR>> - Ira McDonald<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Mike Sweet [mailto:mike@easysw.com]<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:09 PM<BR>> To: Hastings, Tom N<BR>> Cc: Harry Lewis; Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; Ted Tronson; McDonald,<BR>> Ira; Robert Herriot; ipp@pwg.org<BR>> Subject: Re: Last Call comment to remove redirect URL and status code<BR>> from IPPGET<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hastings, Tom N wrote:<BR>>  > ...<BR>>  > Could the six commenters (see the To: line) who agreed to remove<BR>>  > redirection, please respond as to whether they are still in favor of<BR>>  > deleting the Get-Notifications redirection or that they are now<BR>>  > willing to keep Get-Notifications redirection in the IPPGET spec in<BR>>  > case someone wants to implement IPPGET with a Notification Server.<BR>><BR>> If we keep it, we probably do need a redirect timeout parameter, or<BR>> to define what should happen if the redirect server doesn't handle the<BR>> notification...<BR>><BR>>  > As Bob asks, is anyone planning to use a Notification Server or think<BR>>  > that they might want to?<BR>><BR>> We're not planning to.<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> ______________________________________________________________________<BR>> Michael Sweet, Easy Software Products                  mike@easysw.com<BR>> Printing Software for UNIX                       http://www.easysw.com<BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR></TT></FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>