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Hi Ira, "Scan Subunit" sounds good to me. I'll put this into tomorrow's teleconference agenda to ask the group's concensus. Thanks, -Nancy <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> Sent by: owner-mfd@pwg.org 06/20/2007 11:39 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td><nchen@okidata.com> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td><mfd@pwg.org>, <owner-mfd@pwg.org> <tr valign=top> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td>RE: MFD> [scanner term] Meeting Minutes for June 14 Teleconference posted</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Hi Nancy, </tt> <tt>Thanks - I tend to agree. </tt> <tt>So here's a suggestion with a rationale.  I propose the new term 'Scan Subunit', by analogy to 'Scan Service' and 'Scan Device' (aka Scanner). </tt> <tt>This causes least breakage in WIMS/1.0 and SM/2.0 schemas. Where we enumerated service and device types as above (i.e., the function term with a 'service' or 'device' suffix) and named our classes (and schemas) accordingly.  The only affected existing schema would be 'Subunits.xsd'. </tt> <tt>It's important to note that we agreed several years ago in WIMS protocol and Counter spec work that we would NOT use the term 'Printer' (too ambiguous, due to IPP usage to mean a 'Logical Printer'), but rather 'Print Device'. </tt> <tt>So we should NOT use (in the formal MFD model) the term 'Scanner' to mean 'Scan Device'.  We should instead avoid the use of the ambiguous term 'Scanner' entirely. </tt> <tt>Cheers, - Ira </tt> <tt>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: nchen@okidata.com [mailto:nchen@okidata.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:00 PM To: McDonald, Ira Cc: mfd@pwg.org; owner-mfd@pwg.org Subject: RE: MFD> [scanner term] Meeting Minutes for June 14 Teleconference posted </tt> <tt>Ira, </tt> <tt>Thanks for the comment. </tt> <tt>I think it's better to use a different term than "scanner" for the scanner subunit. Let's discuss the group's concensus, or whether this should be discussed in the WIMS instead of the MFD WG in the Thursday teleconference. </tt> <tt>-Nancy </tt> <tt>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> Sent by: owner-mfd@pwg.org 06/19/2007 01:04 PM To<nchen@okidata.com>, <mfd@pwg.org> cc SubjectRE: MFD> [scanner term] Meeting Minutes for June 14 Teleconference posted </tt> <tt>Hi, </tt> <tt>Good minutes, as always - one comment about 'Scanner' subunit. </tt> <tt>In WIMS/1.0 (an approved PWG Candidate Standard) and thus in Counter MIB v1 (an approved PWG Informational Specification), there is a subunit named 'Scanner' that corresponds to the 'Marker' (used in Print Device). </tt> <tt>The confusion occurs because of the use of the obsolete (and ambiguous) term 'Printer' to mean 'Print Device'. </tt> <tt>Thus, the WIMS XML schemas (and Counter MIB enumerations) name a 'Scan Service', 'Scan Device', and 'Scanner Subunit'. </tt> <tt>MFD modelling work should NOT overload the ambiguous term 'Scanner' to mean 'Scan Device'.  The 'Copy' and 'FaxOut' services will also use the 'Scanner Subunit', but that does NOT mean that they will use the entire 'Scan Device'. </tt> <tt>If we wish to replace the term 'Scanner' (for the subunit) with some other term, then we need to make this decision and come to concensus quite quickly, since it breaks the 'Subunits.xsd' XML schema in WIMS and the 'IcSubunitTypeTC' textual convention in the Imaging State and Counter MIB (soon to move to PWG Last Call). </tt> <tt>Cheers, - Ira </tt> <tt>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-mfd@pwg.org [mailto:owner-mfd@pwg.org]On Behalf Of nchen@okidata.com Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:47 PM To: mfd@pwg.org Subject: MFD> Meeting Minutes for June 14 Teleconference posted </tt> <tt>All, </tt> <tt>The June 14 teleconference meeting minutes is now available as: </tt> <tt>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-mfd-minutes-20070614.pdf        and ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-mfd-minutes-20070614.doc </tt> <tt>-Nancy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Chen Solutions and Technology GMC, Oki Data 2000 Bishops Gate Blvd. Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 phone: 856-222-7006 email: nchen@okidata.com </tt> <tt>No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM </tt> <tt>No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM </tt>