P1394> EMAIL Poll

P1394> EMAIL Poll

Greg Shue gregs at sdd.hp.com
Tue Feb 24 14:00:37 EST 1998


1.  Please rank the following proposals according to your
interest level using the following scale ( 10 = High level of
interest vs.  0 = No interest).


	( 3 )   1284.4 Over Data FIFO Architecture (DFA)
	( 0 )   1284.4 Over SBP-2
	( 5 )   Direct Printing Protocol - (current PWG-C proposal 0.71)
	(10 )   SBP-2 Native - (current PWG proposal 0.1c)
	( 8 )   Other - IP1394
	( 4 )   Other - AVC
	( 6 )   Other - SBP-2 mirroring Thin Protocol


2. Please provide background comments on your ranking. 


For Unadiminstered PC connect:
	Why do you prefer to use the given solution?
	  Support by multiple major desktop OS vendors
	  Lower CPU overhead on PC
	  Can be used for other devices
	  Support for async and isoch
          Errors are testable/verifiable
	  Consistant with the CSR & Unit Directory Architecture
	  HW vendors providing HW assists already
	  Does not require support for large MTU sizes
	  Flow control is implicit, not explicit as with CBT


	Why should others consider the given solution?
	  See above comments


	Does the the given solution meet the existing requirements?
	  Yes


	What issues are you aware of (if any) with the given solution?
	  Obtaining access to a service instance is potentially inefficient.
	  Unexpect data transfers to PC are not optimally supported.
	  How to identify which Application command set is associated
	    with a service.


	What is your opinion on the best way to move the discussion forward?
	  Get concensus on how may protocols _will_ exist (see below).
	  Reaffirm the solution space being addressed.
	  Compare with other proposals.


	Other comments?
	  Work is under way to provide support within SBP-2 for
	  transient link interruption support.  No negative feedback
	  has been shared on the T10 reflector.  The proposal will be
	  reviewed on March 10, 1998.  If the extension is addopted,
	  then the complexity of the SBP-2 Native Profile proposed drops
	  by half.




3. Opinions on multiple printing protocols;


 	(10 )   Other


    IP happens - This provides a backwards compatible solution space
		 for enterprise environments.  This is a needed solution.
		 It removes a barrier to adopting the technology.


                 (This seems like the "luxury/full-size car" of protocols)


    AVC is (?) - This provides a solution for the current AV 1394
		 products which customers have already bought.  There
		 is not much that we can do about it, though it seems
		 to potentially waste a large amount of (shared) 1394
		 bus bandwidth.  I understand why it was based on Isoch,
		 bu I would have preferred an Async solution.


		 (This seems like the "alternate fuel cars" of protocols)


    Light      - There is now a _real_ application space associated with
    Peer-to-     printing which does not fit the traditional client/server
    peer will    model.  The current protocols are inappropriate or too
    be           heavy for this application space.  Because this is real,
		 this will happen.  Because it is a different paradigm,
		 this needs to happen.
		 
		 The only question is what will it look like.  We
		 need exactly one well-defined, thoroughly
		 testable, certafiable protocol in order to help
		 deliver interoperability of embedded devices.


		 (This seems like the Sport/Utility Vehicles of protocols)


    Proprietary - These will exist.  These must be allowed.  We can't
		 cover every need, so a safety net for custom solutions
		 must be acknowledged.  The best that we can do is try
    		 to educate the developers on any coexistance issues
		 and best practices that have been found during
		 our standardization efforts.


		 (This seems like the "custom" cars of protocols)


    Unadmin.   - This is really the "optional" area.  The other protocols
    PC connect   span the solution space, though none are optimal.  I
		 think this will happen because:


		   - MS and Apple prefer it for printer connectivity
		   - Printer vendors want it
		   - If it's not standardized, it will be there as a
		       proprietary solutions anyway


                 (This seems like the small/midsize cars of protocols)


    So,


      I think all five protocol categories except the Unadministered
      PC Connect _must_ exist because they provide non-overlapping
      solutions to real problems.


      I think the Unadministered PC Connect (i.e. "Parallel Port
      replacement) should exist for technology adoption and business
      opportunity reasons even more so than technical ones.  "The
      small/midsize car market is real."


      I think we should try hard to avoid having more than one
      protocol per category.  For various reasons, I would like to
      share as many mechanisms (e.g.  access control) as possible
      between the protocols.



-- 
Greg Shue
Hewlett-Packard Company
Office Products Division			gregs at sdd.hp.com
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