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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1491" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV> <DIV>Hi Harry, hi Ira,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thank you for your information. It gives us a clear direction to proceed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best regards</DIV> <DIV>Andreas</DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] Gesendet: Montag, 28. Februar 2005 07:23 An: McDonald, Ira Cc: 'Hirn, Andreas'; 'fin@pwg.org'; 'pmp@pwg.org'; 'rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com'; technic@up3i.org Betreff: RE: FIN> finisher mib integration into up3i </DIV> Ira says it better than I in my response to fin@pwg.org and validates my opinion that option (1) is preferred. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%">"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> 02/24/2005 09:32 AM <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>To</DIV> <TD>"'Hirn, Andreas'" <Andreas.Hirn@ops.de>, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "'pmp@pwg.org'" <pmp@pwg.org> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>cc</DIV> <TD>"'fin@pwg.org'" <fin@pwg.org>, "'rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com'" <rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com>, technic@up3i.org <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>Subject</DIV> <TD>RE: FIN> finisher mib integration into up3i</TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TT>Hi Andreas, Thanks for your interesting question below. I'm copying this reply to the Printer MIB Project (PMP) mailing list.  The Finisher MIB mailing list remains functional, but has very few subscribers.  All future MIB work in the IEEE/ISTO PWG is being coordinated through the PMP list. Please note that the 'finSupplyTable' has a non-index informational element 'finSupplyDeviceIndex' defined as:                 "The value of finDeviceIndex corresponding to the finishing                 device subunit with which this finisher supply is associated.                 The value zero indicates the associated finishing device is                 Unknown." And the 'finSupplyMediaInputTable' has a similar informational element 'finSupplyMediaInputDeviceIndex'. Those elements are NOT indices of their tables (and allowed to take the value of zero), in case they are associated with the overall finisher and not a specific finishing device. It's certainly allowed to implement more than other printer in 'hrDeviceTable' (and thus more than one complete print line for alerts, trays, etc.).  I think that's probably the best way to separate the alerts/trays for individual finishers. Note:  We've tried to accomodate UP3I requests for counters in our Imaging Device Counters spec, Counter Schema, and Counter MIB work in the PWG WIMS working group.  Comments are very welcome.    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20050120.pdf    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscountmib10-20050205.htm    - full text - PWG boilerplate, introduction, model, references    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscountmib10-20050205.mib    - ASN.1 MIB source only Note that the Finisher subunit (the elements defined in the Finisher MIB) has not yet been added to our Subunits schema.    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/schemas/subunits-20041212.xsd Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of Printer MIB v2 and Finisher MIB) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: fin-owner@pwg.org [mailto:fin-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Hirn, Andreas Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 10:42 AM To: 'harryl@us.ibm.com' Cc: 'fin@pwg.org'; 'rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com'; technic@up3i.org Subject: FIN> finisher mib integration into up3i Hi Harry, UP3I is a standard to connect independent preprinter, printer and postprocessing devices together to a printline like this:                   +-------+                   |       |                   | Host  |                   |       |                   +---+---+                       |                       |                       |  e.g. Ethernet LAN                       |                                                                         |                                                   +-------+         +---+---+         +-------+                               |       |         |       |         |       |                             | pre a |   ...   |Printer|  ...    | post c|    ....                     |       |         |       |         |       |                             +---+---+         +---+---+         +---+---+                                 |                 |                 |                                     |                 |                 |                                     |                 |                 |                                     +-------...-------+------...--------+--------...                                             |                                                                         | 1394                                                                     |                                                                     +---+---+                                                                 |       |                                                                 | UP3i  |                                                                 |manager|                                                                 |       |                                                                 +---+---+                                                                     |                                                                         |                                                                         |  LAN                       |                                                                         |                                                                     +---+---+                                                                 |       |                                                                 | SNMP  |                                                                 |manager|                                                                 |       |                                                                 +---+---+                                                                         The commands between the preprinter, printer and postprocessing devices are sent as standardized UP3I frames over a firewire cable. Every device has a unique address in the system, called paper sequence id. It is also possible to send SNMP requests packed into UP3I frames from the up3i manager to the up3i devices and back. The up3i manager could also have a LAN interface. Now we want to implement printer and finisher mib support into the print line to allow an external SNMP manger to monitor the print line. In the moment we have two ideas how we can do that: 1.) Stand alone devices Every preprinter, printer and postprocessing device acts as a discrete device in the host resources mib of the up3i manager. The hrDeviceIndex could be the same as the paper sequence id. Every device itselfs implents the host resources-, printer- and finisher mib, independant from the rest of the print line. The snmp requests to the up3i manager are directly handed over to the up3i devices by packing them into up3i snmp frames. The problem with this solution is: We don't know if it is allowed (respectively meaningful)  to have a print line in which every device has its own hrDeviceIndex. It seems that the combination printer/finishing mib only allows one hrDeviceIndex per line and several finDeviceIndex(es) for every device. Is it meaningful regarding a SNMP Printer Manager to use several hrDeviceIndex instances in a print line? 2.) One hrDeviceIndex per print line We have one hrDeviceIndex for the printLine, the up3i device are separated by their finDeviceIndex. The finDeviceIndex could be the same as the paper sequence id. The problems now are: The finSupply/finSupplyMediaInput tables are not indexed by the finDeviceIndex, they have a separate finSupplyIndex/finSupplyMediaInputIndex. An agreement is needed which device can use which finSupplyIndex/finSupplyMediaInputIndex. Some information about the devices lies in the printer mib, e.g. parts of the input output and alert table. The finisher devices also have to know e.g. under which indexes their own input tables reside in the printer mib. Therefore the printer and the finisher devices have to get this information, which is not the case today, or the up3i manager has to merge all tables of every device together in tables for the whole print line, which could be a bold venture. What do you think is the best way for us to implement printer/finisher mib in the print line? Best regards, Andreas Hirn _____________________________________ Andreas Hirn               OPS   TEC Software Development Oc� Printing Systems GmbH Siemensallee 2 85586 Poing, Germany Direct Dial  +49-8121-72 4029 Direct Fax  +49-8121-72 31 73 mailto: Andreas.Hirn@ops.de www.oce.com _____________________________________ </TT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>