PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group

PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group

PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group

McDonald, Ira imcdonald at sharplabs.com
Tue Mar 6 20:41:17 EST 2001


Hi Carl-Uno,

A 'W3C Note' (as Shivaun proposed below) is the immediately
published equivalent of an 'IETF Internet-Draft'.  There would
be no W3C approval process at all, BUT the XHMTL-Print spec
would be highly visible to the Web development community
(not true when published via the PWG IEEE/ISTO process).

I like Shivaun's proposal.  Publish it via the W3C as an
'individual contribution' of the authors/editors.  Use it
in UPnP more or less immediately and in Bluetooth and elsewhere
in the near future.  Learn from the experience.  THEN work
to move XHTML-Print along on the W3C's standards track.

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald, consulting architect at Sharp and Xerox
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros at cp10.es.xerox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:54 PM
To: 'ALBRIGHT,SHIVAUN (HP-Roseville,ex1)'; Manros, Carl-Uno B;
'ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com'; don at lexmark.com
Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org
Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group


Shivaun,

I still think it will be slow going to get it through the W3C.

How about first doing it as a PWG document and then offer it to the W3C.

Seems like a good compromise to me. That way we would have a published
document, while we are waiting for the W3C to get through their process.

Do others agree?

Carl-Uno

Carl-Uno Manros
Manager, Print Services
Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
Email: manros at cp10.es.xerox.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: ALBRIGHT,SHIVAUN (HP-Roseville,ex1)
[mailto:shivaun_albright at HP.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:35 PM
To: 'Manros, Carl-Uno B'; ALBRIGHT,SHIVAUN (HP-Roseville,ex1);
'ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com'; don at lexmark.com
Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org
Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group


I would like to propose that the owners of the document get together to
discuss this issue outlining the pros and cons of the different options and
return to their respective groups with a recommendation.

It's HP's current thinking that the W3C would be a better venue for this
document.  The W3C would seem the logical place since most, if not all, of
the technology in X-HTML Print has been developed in the W3C group (e.g.,
XHTML 1.0, XML, CSS).  A strong motive in choosing the W3C approach would be
to promote better integration of printing with web-based technologies.  One
suggested path might be to submit X-HTML Print version 1.0 as a "note" to
the W3C.  This provides a long-term, vendor-neutral web site for the
document.  Subsequent to this, we could start a print-focused working group
to address some of the issues we find with using XHTML for printing and
ensure this information is fed to the other W3C groups (e.g., CSS).

Regards,

Shivaun   

_______________________________________________________________________
Shivaun Albright
Engineer Scientist 
Internet Imaging and Printing Systems (iIPS)
Hewlett Packard
Roseville, CA
(916) 785-7191
_______________________________________________________________________


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros at cp10.es.xerox.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:33 PM
> To: 'ALBRIGHT,SHIVAUN (HP-Roseville,ex1)';
> 'ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com'; don at lexmark.com
> Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org
> Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group
> 
> 
> Shivaun,
> 
> I think we all want the spec to get out quickly.
> 
> What is still unclear to me is what alternative you prefer to have it
> published by the PWG.
> 
> Is it to publish the XHTML spec as one of the UPnP documents?
> 
> If so, it not yet clear to me how open the UPnP specs are 
> going to be once
> they are published, e.g. can anybody get hold of them and can they be
> referenced by other standards groups, and who will take on 
> any maintenance
> of the spec once it is finished?
> 
> Carl-Uno
> 
> Carl-Uno Manros
> Manager, Print Services
> Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
> 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
> Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
> Email: manros at cp10.es.xerox.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ALBRIGHT,SHIVAUN (HP-Roseville,ex1)
> [mailto:shivaun_albright at hp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: 'ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com'; don at lexmark.com
> Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org
> Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group
> 
> 
> As the Chairperson of the UPNP Imaging committee I am against 
> starting a
> separate working group to develop X-HTML Print.  We are very close to
> locking down the BasicPrint Service which requires X-HTML 
> Print and I had
> envisioned locking down the X-HTML Print document in 
> parallel.   It seems
> that we are winding down the X-HTML Print discussions and are close to
> agreement on a version of X-HTML Print that vendors could 
> implement.  In
> fact, the current UPNP Print Committee schedule has the X-HTML Print
> document listed as "done" by 3/31/01 with a subsequent vote 
> to agree on the
> "final" version.   I have concerns that a separate working 
> committee to
> develop X-HTML Print could prolong the entire process for a UPNP Print
> standard.       
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Shivaun Albright
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> _________
> Shivaun Albright
> Engineer Scientist 
> Internet Imaging and Printing Systems (iIPS)
> Hewlett Packard
> Roseville, CA
> (916) 785-7191
> ______________________________________________________________
> _________
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com 
> [mailto:ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:09 PM
> > To: don at lexmark.com
> > Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org
> > Subject: Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for XHTML-Print Working Group
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Don,
> > 
> > We won't be at the plenary (although Norbert will be in Tampa 
> > for the UPDF
> > meeting) so here is our two cents.
> > 
> > PWG seems like the right home for XHTML-Print.  We like the 
> > work you've
> > done and hope it becomes final soon.   I wonder what impact 
> > this will have
> > on the timing within the UPnP group.  Since the plan there 
> has been to
> > finalize this soon, would that vote go ahead?  What happens 
> if the PWG
> > process makes changes afterwards?  Perhaps PWG should vote on 
> > adopting the
> > UPnP result lock stock and barrel, or else UPnP should just 
> > turn it over
> > right away.
> > 
> > Also, I assume a goal is to do this in a way that the 
> > Bluetooth folks can
> > adopt it as well...true?
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Elliott Bradshaw
> > Director, Software Engineering
> > Oak Technology Imaging Group
> > 781 638-7534
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >                                                               
> >                             
> >                     don at lexmark.com                           
> >                             
> >                     Sent by:                To:     
> > pwg-announce at pwg.org                  
> >                     owner-pwg-announ        cc:     
> > melinda_grant at hp.com,                 
> >                     ce at pwg.org              
> > fujisawa.jun at canon.co.jp,                     
> >                                             
> > peter.zehler at usa.xerox.com                    
> >                                             Subject:     
> > PWG-ANNOUNCE> Charter for        
> >                     02/27/01 04:23          XHTML-Print 
> > Working Group                     
> >                     PM                                        
> >                             
> >                                                               
> >                             
> >                                                               
> >                             
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A working group to develop the XHTML-Print "datastream" is 
> > being proposed
> > for
> > the PWG.  I have included a pointer to a proposed charter 
> > which will be
> > discussed at the PWG Plenary in Tampa.
> > 
> > ftp://ftp.pwg.org.pub/pwg/xhtml-print/charter/XHTML-Print-Char
> ter-01.doc
> 
> Comments should be sent to me or brought up at the Plenary in 
> Tampa.  A
> mailing
> list for this project has not yet been set up yet.
> 
> **********************************************
> * Don Wright                 don at lexmark.com *
> * Chair, Printer Working Group               *
> * Chair, IEEE MSC                            *
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