PWG> PWG OID Structure Proposals [the case for a flat

PWG> PWG OID Structure Proposals [the case for a flat

PWG> PWG OID Structure Proposals [the case for a flat

Tom Hastings hastings at
Fri Jan 23 18:20:38 EST 1998

At 09:53 01/23/1998 PST, don at wrote:
>Tom Hastings said:
>>3. If we add some structure, we will have to write it down, agree to it,
>>maintain it, etc.  The flat approach requires no such additional document,
>>effort, or agreement.  We can publish the Job Monitoring MIB immediately
>>with no further discussion.
>Imagine that!  Thinking about what we are doing before doing it.  I'd
>rather set a direction that is flexible and usable up front rather than
>setting and re-setting it every other month.

Actually, we have been trying to write something down for two months
already and changing it every time.  I am afraid that this will continue.

With the flat scheme we are done now. We don't need to write down
anything.  We don't need to continue this debate.  And we won't
have to change anything each month.

Each need for a PWG OID gets to define their
own sub-structure (as the Job Mon MIB has done following standard
MIB practice).  This is the ultimate in flexibility and there is
no need to continue this debate with a flat structure.

Also continuing this debate will futher delay getting this MIB to
the IESG and getting them to assign an RFC.

Putting it another way, setting up a structure, writing it down, 
reviewing it, agreeing to it, maintaining it, is buracracy that the PWG
doesn't need.

So far, I haven't seen one advantage to having more structure and
a lot of disadvantages:

1.  Its process overhead that we don't need.

2.  It will further delay the Job Monitoring MIB.

3.  It doesn't buy anything.

4.  It has the risk of not being exactly what the future will want/need.

Can you state one advantage to having more structure?

>>4. I have lived through two corporations attempting to set up structure:
>>Digital and Xerox.  In both cases, none of the rest of the structure
>>got used.  Its too hard to predict the future.  So defining structure
>>is a waste of time and does not help anything.
>One of the core concepts of the OID space is to allow for distribution
>name space administration.  I guess the PWG must be at the end of the
>world and therefore there is no future reason to worry about
>distributed name space management beyond us and our OID!
>I set up the Lexmark OID space and management process; it uses a
>hierarchical approach.  I happy with the results.

What advantages did it give you?

How many OIDs have you assigned?

>>6. Its shortest in number of OIDs over the wire.
>Who cares about this small difference?  Are they charging for electrons
>these days?

I agree that it is a small point (that is why I put it last).

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