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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003>Lee and Bill,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003>The problem is what do you call successive versions of the Draft Standard, before you are ready to send it out for Last Call?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003>Working Drafts of the Draft Standard?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003>Using "Draft" in two different senses in the same sentence to identify a document is pretty confusing.  And we know that people in normal conversion like to drop the adjectives and just talk about the "Draft".  So which do they mean when they say the "Draft is ...".</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=225321919-31012003>Tom</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Farrell, Lee [mailto:Lee.Farrell@cda.canon.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 18:33<BR><B>To:</B> PWG (E-mail)<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PWG> "Draft Standard" is an oxymoron<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Duh.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[If people can understand "jumbo shrimp" without losing sleep, I don't see why "draft standard" would cause a problem.]</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>lee</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=840432702-31012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Hastings, Tom N<BR><B>Cc:</B> pwg@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PWG> "Draft Standard" is an oxymoron<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Er... Um... so why is it so hard to put the definition to use and realize that a "Draft Standard" is a preliminary version of a "Standard"?</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM Printing Systems <BR>---------------------------------------------- </FONT><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com></B></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: owner-pwg@pwg.org</FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>01/30/2003 04:24 PM</FONT> </P> <TD><FONT face=Arial size=1>        </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        To:        pwg@pwg.org</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        cc:        </FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>        Subject:        PWG> "Draft Standard" is an oxymoron</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Here is why I think that "Draft Standard" is an oxymoron.  Draft is too<BR>fleeting.  Standard is meant to be more stable.<BR><BR>So I looked up the word "Draft" in the dictionary.  Webster's Seventh<BR>Collegiate Dictionary says:<BR><BR>"a preliminary sketch, outline, or version".<BR><BR>We all use the word "draft" (or "working draft") to mean the document that<BR>we update rapidly to get to a version that we all consider stable enough to<BR>have a Last Call.<BR><BR>So one of the appealing suggestions made at today's call was to just remove<BR>section 3.4 Draft Standard and have only 3.4 Proposed Standard and 3.6<BR>Standard.  Both have to have a series of drafts to be reviewed to lead up to<BR>being an approved Proposed Standard or an approved Standard.  And both need<BR>to have a draft that is considered good enough to both trying a Last Call<BR>and then the Last Call has to actually pass.<BR><BR>I think much of our trouble is terminology, so fixing the terminology, and<BR>deleting a step seems to be a good thing to do and is NOT abandoning the<BR>process or overturning turnips.<BR><BR>Tom<BR></TT></FONT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>