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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>Yikes! The problem with numbering documents too
early, is that you don't know how many you may produce. For example, I
don't think that the XHTML/Print folks thought they would be doing two documents
until quite a way into the project. I think we should resist numbering
documents until after they pass Candidate Standard Last
Call.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>However, I do favor assigning numbers after they pass
Candidate Standard Last Call, rather than having to wait until Standard Last
Call as we discussed on the SM telecon yesterday. However, as we agreed,
we need to carry some letters designation in the numbering to indicate that it
is a Candidate Standard versus a Standard.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>As
another exmple of a standards body that assigns numbers before final approval,
ISO use the prefix DP and DIS for Draft Proposal and Draft International
Standard, respectively. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>I seem to recall when we were working on
ISO DPA (remember that?), the official designation for Part 1 became
"ISO/IEC DP 10175-1" when the WG was finishing up on it and was "ISO/IEC
DIS 10175-1" while the ISO Member Bodies were reviewing it. After all
approvals, its designation became "ISO/IEC 10175-1:1996. And Part 2 was
"ISO/IEC 10175-2:1996".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>So we
need to make sure that we always include some organization designation, such as
PWG or IEEE-ISTO in front of Candidate Standards and Standards. I'm not
sure which?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>So the
XHTML-Print and CSS Print Profile documents having completed Last Call, we
assign them 5102.1 and 5102.2. So should the official designations
be:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>PWG
CS-5102.1 </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>PWG
CS-5102.2</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>Or:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>IEEE-ISTO CS-5102.1</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>IEEE-ISTO CS-5102.2</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>A similar question when they pass Last Call to become a
Standard:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>PWG
STD-5102.1 or simply PWG 5102.1</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003>PWG
STD-5102.2 or simply PWG 5102.2</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>Or:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>IEEE-ISTO STD-5102.1 or simply IEEE-ISTO
5102.1</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>IEEE-ISTO STD-5102.2 or simply IEEE-ISTO
5102.2</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>In fact the answer to each can be
different:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>We could use "PWG CS-51nn.n" for Candidate Standards
and "IEEE-ISTO 51nn.n" for Standards.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>I think that the latter approach is the simplest and
least likely to get people confused.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=627435500-15032003><SPAN
class=627435500-15032003>Tom</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 14, 2003
06:51<BR><B>To:</B> don@lexmark.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Hastings, Tom N;
pwg@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PWG> Document numbering - Candidates vs
Standards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Except, for us,
(according to the new process we're banging out) it would be</FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>WD5300.1 Skywriting Print Standard
(Working Draft)</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM
Printing Systems <BR>----------------------------------------------
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>don@lexmark.com</B></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: owner-pwg@pwg.org</FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>03/14/2003 05:23 AM</FONT> </P>
<TD><FONT face=Arial size=1> </FONT><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1> To:
"Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1> cc:
pwg@pwg.org</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=1> Subject:
RE: PWG> Document numbering - Candidates vs
Standards</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>... and
should we decide to number standards from the beginning of their<BR>life like
the IEEE does, then we could prefix it with "P" for "project"
or<BR>"preliminary."<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>P5300.1
Skywriting Print Standard (Project)<BR>CS5300.1
Skywriting Print Standard (Candidate Standard)<BR>STD5300.1
Skywriting Print Standard (Standard)<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT
size=2><TT>**********************************************<BR>Don Wright
don@lexmark.com</TT></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Chair, IEEE SA Standards Board<BR>Member,
IEEE-ISTO Board of Directors<BR>f.wright@ieee.org /
f.wright@computer.org</TT></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Director, Alliances
& Standards<BR>Lexmark International<BR>740 New Circle Rd<BR>Lexington, Ky
40550<BR>859-825-4808 (phone) 603-963-8352 (fax)</TT></FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2><TT>**********************************************<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT
size=2><TT>"Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>@pwg.org on
03/13/2003<BR>05:42:08 PM<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Sent by:
owner-pwg@pwg.org<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>To:
pwg@pwg.org<BR>cc:<BR>Subject: RE: PWG> Document
numbering - Candidates vs Standards<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>An
other alternative is to keep the same number, but have some
letter<BR>prefixes, such as CS to mean candidate
standard.<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Thus the official PWG number for
a Candidate Standard versus Standard for<BR>Skywritting would
be:<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Ex CS-5300.1 = Skywriting Print
Standard (Candidate Standard)<BR>STD-5350.1 = Skywriting Print Standard
(STANDARD)</TT></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>For example, I seem to recall
that ANSI standards say BSR nnnn for a draft<BR>standard (which stands for
Board of Standard Review, as I recall) while the<BR>standard is being voted
on.<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Tom<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT
size=2><TT>Original Message-----<BR>From: Harry Lewis
[mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]<BR>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 13:48<BR>To:
don@lexmark.com<BR>Cc: pwg@pwg.org<BR>Subject: PWG> Document numbering -
Candidates vs Standards<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Don, we're
struggling in the PWG process discussion about ISTO numbers and<BR>when and
how they should be assigned in the process. First, we said no ISTO<BR>number
until STANDARD. Some feel Candidate Standards should have
numbers<BR>and<BR>we're considering a hack on the numbering to indicate CS
from STANDARD.<BR></TT></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><TT>Ex 5300.1 = Skywriting
Print Standard (Candidate Standard)<BR>5350.1 = Skywriting Print Standard
(STANDARD)</TT></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>You (and others) must have
experience with IEEE standards progression<BR>(1284.x). Can you shed some
light on the IEEE/ISTO numbering, what level of<BR>maturity they expect when a
number is assigned, how we might go about<BR>assigning numbers to CS as well
as S?<BR>----------------------------------------------<BR>Harry Lewis<BR>IBM
Printing
Systems<BR>----------------------------------------------<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT
size=2><TT>(See attached file: C.htm)<BR></TT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>#### C.htm has been removed from this note on March 14,
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