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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1578" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>On behalf of the FSG Open Printing Steering Commitee,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>at the PWG SC meeting next week (21 December 2006),</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>could we please briefly talk about PWG possibly hosting </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>the </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>"undocuprint" web pages?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=728221519-12122006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=4>- Ira</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<BR>Chair - FSG Open Printing Steering Committee<BR>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<BR>PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839<BR>phone: +1-906-494-2434<BR>email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com</FONT> </P> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-pwg@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg@pwg.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Harry Lewis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B> wamwagner@comcast.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> pwg@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PWG> SC - Should PWG consider hosting print info wiki?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Sorry, I misinformed. The next SC call is Thursday Dec 7! (not tomorrow). Thanks, Bill, for pointing this out.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM STSM<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM Printing Systems <BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>---------------------------------------------- </FONT><BR><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>wamwagner@comcast.net</B> </FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>11/29/2006 01:27 PM</FONT> </P> <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>To</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS</FONT> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>cc</FONT></DIV> <TD> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Re: PWG> SC - Should PWG consider hosting print info wiki?</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=3>Harry,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>Is there an SC call tomorrow? The calendar shows the next call for next week (along with the next WIMS/CIM call.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>Bill Wagner</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT size=3>-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Harry Lewis <harryl@us.ibm.com> <BR></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Chris Lindemann put together his own wiki which appears to be looking for a home. There is debate over hosting at FSG. I browsed the material and it attempts to be fairly broad. I'm not sure about the licensing issues (below)... it mostly just looks like reference material to me. The thought occurred that the PWG may be a better org to host this. Opinions? (now and/or at tomorrow's SC meeting). <BR>---------------------------------------------- <BR>Harry Lewis <BR>IBM STSM<BR>Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<BR>http://www.pwg.org<BR>IBM Printing Systems <BR>http://www.ibm.com/printers<BR>303-924-5337<BR>---------------------------------------------- </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=#800080 size=1><BR>----- Forwa! rded by Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM on 11/29/2006 11:46 AM -----</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="46%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>Christoph Lindemann <Christoph.Lindemann@PrintAssociates.com></B> <BR>Sent by: printing-driver-bounces@lists.freestandards.org</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT> <P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>11/28/2006 06:14 PM</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT><BR> <TABLE width="100%" border=4> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="100%" bgColor=white> <DIV align=center><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond to<BR>Discussion for the driver API subgroup        <printing-driver@lists.freestandards.org></FONT></DIV></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <P></P> <TD width="53%"><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="8%"> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>To</FONT></DIV> <TD width="91%"><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>, Hin-Tak Leung <hintak_leung@yahoo.co.uk></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>cc</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Discussion for the driver API subgroup <printing-driver@lists.freestandards.org></FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Subject</FONT></DIV> <TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Re: [printing-driver] PDL Reference Manuals and documentation nee                ded</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="50%"> <TD width="50%"></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT size=3><BR><BR></FONT><TT><FONT size=2><BR>Please see my comments bellow<BR><BR>> I think, this is a good idea, as then all resources are at <BR>> one place and easy to find for everyone, also much easier to maintain.<BR><BR>I totally agree - that's why I started this<BR><BR>> Christoph, I will give you the full support to continue <BR>> hosting this information at FSG Open Printing.<BR><BR>-A problem with this might be, that I don't want this to get infected by<BR>those "my favorite OS is better then your OS" argumentations/wars. I think<BR>the focus should be on providing information to driver developers (free and<BR>commercial), including all OS (free and commercial).<BR><BR>What would the FSG position on this be? Especially as this would also<BR>include providing information and support for windows driver development. As<BR>I understand, the FSG is focusing only on Linux. How "compatible" is the FSG<BR>with other operating ! systems , including both free and commercial, like<BR>Windows and BSD<BR><BR>-Another problem is that the FSG site uses a modified version of the GNU<BR>FDL, which might not be compatible with the standard GNU FDL (all undocprint<BR>content uses the standard GNU FDL)<BR><BR>> Hin-Tak Leung wrote:<BR>> > The unducprint.printassociates.com web site "got into to my <BR>> radar" a <BR>> > while ago, when I got a e-mail asking about jetready documentation.<BR>> > (the HP color laserjet 3500/3550/3660). I had a look around the web <BR>> > site, and while there seems to be a lot, it looks there is not much <BR>> > more than<BR>> > 1 person there. (all the mailing lists are empty, etc).<BR><BR>Well the site is rather new, 1 year or something. And the printing community<BR>is not very "informative" or cooperative (or at least not the commercial<BR>players)<BR><BR>> > <BR>> > While the effort is commendable, there is very little indication! of <BR>> > affiliation (who the site admin is, why is he doing it, what are the <BR>> > commercial or not so commercial interests, etc - and why a new site <BR>> > instead of getting the info onto linuxprinting.org or FSG printing, <BR>> > etc.). There are just too many unanswered questions.<BR><BR>To answer some of them:<BR><BR>-The site admin is me, Christoph Lindemann<BR><BR>-I am a software developer at Print Associates A/S<BR><BR>-The non-commercial part in it is, that I have got a lot of help from Usenet<BR>and open source projects, and lots of small articles and snippets. The wiki<BR>is kind of my way to pay back to the community. And providing all the<BR>information under the GNU FDL, helping future developers and ensuring the<BR>free availability.<BR><BR>-The commercial part is of course that I hope others will contribute to this<BR>wiki, and thereby also help me (and everybody else) to easily and quick find<BR>information for my printing related p! rojects . (and of course, the $10 earned<BR>by ads every month is also a commercial interest ;)<BR><BR>-The answer to "Why" is: I was tired of searching obscure old documents, ftp<BR>sites, mailing lists and Usenet post, just to find some information. So I<BR>decided to make me a "library" of the information I found. And the next<BR>logical step was of course, why not make this public accessible, so others<BR>also had access to this.<BR><BR>-The answer to "why a new site" is: I mainly work with printing under<BR>Windows, and the first information where all windows related. And there was<BR>no windows programming printing site, which also need my requirements of<BR>publishing material under a "free" license. <BR>All the other stuff, like PDL and communication protocols came later.<BR>linuxprinting.org would not be the correct place, as this is focused on<BR>Linux (the same as some windowsprinting.org would be just as wrong now)<BR><BR>> > The "collected by me and others" part -! the "o thers" part I am very <BR>> > unsure about.<BR><BR>-The others are the individuals which have provided information that is<BR>included in the wiki. This can be from other "specific" documentation sites,<BR>open source driver projects, Usenet, and stuff provided to me by email. <BR>It's not like I have reverse engineered everything in the wiki, a lot is<BR>researched by other people, and I have merely collected and merged this<BR>information into this wiki.<BR><BR>Kind regards,<BR>Christoph<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>printing-driver mailing list<BR>printing-driver@lists.freestandards.org<BR>http://lists.freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-driver</FONT></TT> <BR></BODY></HTML> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>--<BR> No virus found in this outgoing message.<BR> Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.16/582 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 4:32 PM<BR> </FONT> </P>