WBMM> Management Commands

WBMM> Management Commands

WBMM> Management Commands

Harry Lewis harryl at us.ibm.com
Wed Jan 29 00:20:08 EST 2003

Nothing in the charter leads me to believe my perspective on remote 
management to the same granularity as currently available via SNMP is 
excluded or out of scope. I suggest we continue to strive for consensus 
and make appropriate modifications or clarifications to the charter before 
sending out for approval.

I'd like to hear from some others.
Harry Lewis 
IBM Printing Systems 

"Wagner,William" <WWagner at NetSilicon.com>
Sent by: owner-wbmm at pwg.org
01/28/2003 04:30 PM
        To:     Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM at IBMUS, <wbmm at pwg.org>
        Subject:        RE: WBMM> Management Commands

Your  comments reflect a different perspective on the activity, or at 
least on the  priorities. It seems that you see the effort as a general 
replacement for SNMP,  perhaps defining some replacement to the MIBs.  
What I see as the most  pressing need is to provide for remote access to 
existing data bases, be they  MIBs or the data current accessed by web 
pages, or some internal parameters. 
I also  do not see this in terms of a management station canvassing to see 
what device  supports what. In general, I do not think that that sort of 
fishing would be  allowed in many enterprises. Rather, I see the 
device being registered  with the remote server to provide reposts 
according to some pre-arraigned  agreement on what parameters would be 
monitored. Indeed, the idea was to define  the transport and a general 
formal by which elements could be queried or  specified. Although items 
such as you mention (size of media in trays) would not  be excluded, it 
does not seem the sort of thing that would be of interest to a  remote 
server. I will post the list of things brainstormed at the  BOF.
I  intended the proposed Charter to be clear that this activity  was to 
use the path intended for web browsing to allow authorized 
but non-enterprise agencies to monitor (for usage information, for 
example)  and perhaps do specific maintenance (for updates or upgrades, 
for example) to  on-enterprise site equipment. it was not the intent that 
this be a general  SNMP replacement.  Perhaps you may want to look at the 
charter again  before we send it out for final approval. ( I have attached 
the draft as  modified at Maui). By the way, the title is Charter Proposal 
for  PWG WEB-Based Monitoring and Management, hence  WBMM.
Bill  Wagner
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Lewis  [mailto:harryl at us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:46  PM
To: wbmm at pwg.org
Subject: WBMM> Management  Commands

SNMP has GET,  SET, GETBULK etc. What types of commands would we like to 
see in WBMM (what  does WBMM stand for, anyway!?... perhaps separate 
discussion... aren't we  forgetting the U word... "Universal Deice and 
Services Management") 

Back to the topic... 

I'm thinking we will want to improve on the interfaces  and commands based 
on what we have learned over the years implementing the  Printer MIB. 
Please share your thoughts. Here are some of mine. We  need... 

1. A way to query what  attributes are settable and which are not (we 
learned, with SNMP, that  "MaxAccess" isn't always that helpful). 
2. A way to query attribute (elements?) either singularly (tell me size of 
media in "main" tray), in bulk (give me the "input group"), or filtered 
(tell me the name of each tray; tell me all trays which are loaded with 
3. If we end up with  mandatory and optional commands or interfaces, a way 
to query which are  supported in a particular implementation (describe via 

Harry Lewis 
IBM Printing Systems 

#### Charter Proposal 2.doc has been removed from this note on January 28, 
2003 by Harry Lewis
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