With various requests to have e more time to study this information, and Harry's unavailability, I am rescheduling this conference call to next week, 27 August, back at the Wednesday time slot. Please communicate thought\s or concerns on the WBMM reflector and perhaps we can get some consideration started.
Bill Wagner
Greetings:
Reminder about this week's WBMM conference call, on Thursday again this week (but due to return to Wednesday thereafter). I understand that Harry will set up a WebEX-like capability. However, I suggest that you pull copies of the documents identified below from the PWG site and the HP site.
Time:12:00 PM EDT (9:00 AM PDT) Thursday August 2 7 2003
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The primary subject is a consideration of the objectives of WBMM (as represented in the charter, which has been approved) relative to the Web Services Management Framework (WSMF) that is being developed by HP.
Bob Tailor responded to a query about WSMF versus WBMM as follows:
"HP does believe strongly in the WSMF as a basis for standards for the management of web services. We do expect management of printers, MFPs and print services to move in this direction over time."
I would ask that interested participants review the extensive (albeit somewhat abstract) information on WSMF at http://devresource.hp.com/drc/specifications/wsmf/index.jsp
This information declares that WSMF is "model neutral", indeed stating that, "in the future, further examples and white papers will be provided on how the management information from specific models like MIB/SNMP, CIM/WBEM, and JMX/JSR77 to WSMF can be achieved." This would suggest that WBMM efforts on further defining an imaging management model may be compatible with WSMF, or whatever the framework may evolve into.
Yet, it is unclear that the rest of the framework fully addresses the scenarios that WBMM has defined, although it seems geared up to address some much more complicated use cases.
I have also reworked the WBMM "definitions" document and would suggest this as an outline for a partitioning the WBMM effort. Indeed, depending upon our take on WSMF, some of the partitions may be covered there and need not be addressed by the PWG
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wbmm/white/definitions2.pdf
The WBMM working group objective is to provide a standard way to address the uses cases in the WBMM scenario. We intend neither to arbitrarily fight WSMF nor to passively give way to it. WSMF is, as one would expect, not imaging specific. On one hand, this is positive in that it may become an accepted framework upon which a specific imaging model may be hung. On the other hand, as in past cases, it may hampered by non-imaging folks simplistic view of what imaging and imaging "object" management entails. And this relates not only to the management model but to the operations and delivery.
We would very much appreciate your take on this development, which illustrates the important of defining a consistent Web Based management approach, but may wind up evolving into a late and suboptimal solution for imaging devises and services.
Many thanks
Bill Wagner
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