WBMM> 27 August - Next WBMM Conference Call

WBMM> 27 August - Next WBMM Conference Call

WBMM> 27 August - Next WBMM Conference Call

McDonald, Ira imcdonald at sharplabs.com
Tue Aug 26 18:12:54 EDT 2003


Retitled to make clear that it's _this_ week we're talking about.

- Ira McDonald
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner,William [mailto:WWagner at NetSilicon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:31 PM
To: wbmm at pwg.org
Subject: RE: WBMM> 21 August WBMM Conference Call


Reminder about this  week's WBMM conference call, on Wednesday. I understand
that Harry  will not  be able  to set up  a  WebEX-like  capability so  I
suggest that you pull  copies of the documents identified below from the PWG
site and the HP site.

Time:12:00 PM EDT (9:00 AM PDT)  Wednesday  August 27  2003
Call-in US Toll-free: 1-877-874-5524
Call-in International/Toll: 1-712-455-8420
Participant Identification number: 497478

The primary subject  is a consideration of the objectives  of WBMM (as
represented in the charter, which has been approved) relative  to the  Web
Services Management  Framework (WSMF) that is being developed by HP.

Bob Tailor responded  to  a query about WSMF versus WBMM as follows:

"HP does believe strongly in the WSMF as a basis for standards for the
management of web services.  We do expect management of printers, MFPs and
print services to move in this direction over time."

I would ask that interested participants review the extensive  (albeit
somewhat abstract) information on WSMF at

This  information declares that WSMF is "model  neutral", indeed  stating
that, "in the future, further examples and white papers will be provided on
how the management information from specific models like MIB/SNMP, CIM/WBEM,
and JMX/JSR77 to WSMF can be achieved." This would suggest that WBMM efforts
on further  defining an imaging  management model may be compatible with
WSMF, or whatever the framework may evolve into.

Yet, it is unclear that the rest of the  framework fully addresses the
scenarios that WBMM has defined, although it seems geared up  to address
some  much more  complicated use  cases.

I have also reworked the  WBMM "definitions"  document and would suggest
this as an outline for a partitioning the WBMM effort. Indeed, depending
upon our take on WSMF, some  of the  partitions may be covered there and
need not be addressed  by  the PWG

The WBMM working group  objective is to provide a standard way to address
the  uses cases in the WBMM scenario. We  intend neither to arbitrarily
fight WSMF nor to passively give way to it. WSMF is, as  one would expect,
not imaging specific. On one hand, this is  positive  in that  it may become
an accepted framework upon which a specific  imaging model may  be hung.  On
the  other hand, as  in past cases, it  may hampered by  non-imaging  folks
simplistic  view of  what imaging and imaging "object" management entails.
And this relates  not only to the management model but to  the operations
and delivery.

We would very much appreciate your take  on this development, which
illustrates the  important of defining a consistent Web Based management
approach,  but may wind up evolving into a  late and suboptimal solution for
imaging devises and services.

Many thanks

Bill Wagner

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