WIMS> Normative Ref to WSDL/2.0 would block WIMS as PWG CS

WIMS> Normative Ref to WSDL/2.0 would block WIMS as PWG CS

WIMS> Normative Ref to WSDL/2.0 would block WIMS as PWG CS

McDonald, Ira imcdonald at sharplabs.com
Mon Oct 31 15:53:59 EST 2005


Hi,
 
Sorry for the lack of context, Bill.
 
The comment was a request for real SOAP examples of WIMS protocol requests
and responses,
such as the ones in the IETF NetConf over SOAP spec
<draft-ietf-netconf-soap-06.txt> on pages 
12 and 13.
 
To flesh out Option (d):
 
* Specify SOAP/1.2 bindings as Normative - give examples of WIMS Message
schema instances
   in SOAP/1.2 messages over HTTP/1.1 session layer (like NetConf);
 
* Don't use SOAP Headers (like NetConf), for portability across non-SOAP
protocol bindings;
 
* Don't use SOAP Faults, for portability across non-SOAP protocol bindings
   (i.e., all WIMS requests ALWAYS receive exactly one corresponding WIMS
response and
   the 'fault' is contained in the 'ResponseStatusString' and
'ResponseUnsupportedElements');
   
* Specify an informative WSDL appendix and state (like NetConf):
    
     "Note that WSDL declarations for WIMS/1.0 over SOAP/1.2 bindings are
not yet standardized,
     pending the W3C adoption of WDSL/2.0, scheduled for early 2006."
 
Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: wamwagner at comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:24 PM
To: Harry Lewis; McDonald, Ira
Cc: 'wims at pwg.org'
Subject: Re: WIMS> Normative Ref to WSDL/2.0 would block WIMS as PWG CS


Option D would appear most best. But without minutes of meeting, it is
unclear what the comment was, what the implications were, and what the WG
beleives is necessary to address it.
 
Bill Wagner
 

-------------- Original message -------------- 

After having the opportunity to speak with Ira regarding this, we think
there may also be an "option D" which is to describe normative Soap v1.2 but
supply NO WSDL example at this time.. rather indicate that WSDL 2.0 is in
progress and it is our intent to supply normative WSDL following adoption of
WSDL 2.0 as a W3C candidate recommendation. 
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Hi,

Per the WG last comment on WIMS Protocol spec last week (for examples
of WSDL definitions and actual SOAP messages), I've been working on WSDL
for the WIMS Protocol -  following the excellent examples in the recent 
WS-Polling submission from IBM to W3C.

Good News - conveniently, I recently released the WIMS Message schema,
which is most of the work - the WSDL itself is very small by comparison.

Bad news - we all repeatedly agreed to make the non-standards-track
bindings (using WSDL/1.1 and SOAP/1.1) _optional_ for compatibility and
make standards-track bindings (using WSDL/2.0 and SOAP/1.2) _mandatory_ 
to implement.

But, the W3C site now says (at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/):

"Below are the targeted publication dates for the WSDL 2.0 drafts:

 Second Last Call
   June 2005
 Candidate Recommendati! on
   October 2005
 Proposed Recommendation
   Early 2006"

PSI/1.0 fudged on this and standardized a SOAP/1.1 binding described in
WSDL/1.1 (calling them 'defacto industry standards' - which is true, but 
they're still not interoperable).

So the WIMS/1.0 Protocol spec will have to:

(a) Use the above SOAP/1.1 fudge for normative bindings;
   <or>
(b) Wait for the approval of WSDL/2.0 (now a working draft) by W3C;
   <or>
(c) Use SOAP/1.2 for normative bindings
   and INFORMATIVE references to the WSDL/1.1 W3C Note 
   and INFORMATIVE examples of WSDL/1.1 for the SOAP/1.1 binding.

My apologies for not realizing this problem earlier.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@! sharplabs.com



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