WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG

WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG

WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG

Harry Lewis harryl at us.ibm.com
Fri Sep 30 13:59:33 EDT 2005

By the sounds of what I heard in the call, today (even though we didn't 
get to closure), I think Ira is on the right track. I think the only 
things we can reliably deliver in the Dec timeframe (for approval in Jan) 
is the very low handing fruit. This should establish the relationship and 
we can go forward from there. 
Harry Lewis 
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
IBM Printing Systems 

"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald at sharplabs.com> 
Sent by: owner-wims at pwg.org
09/30/2005 11:33 AM

"'Richard_Landau at Dell.com'" <Richard_Landau at Dell.com>, wims at pwg.org

RE: WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG

Hi Rick,

I share your frustration that we were left hanging about CIM Core
working contacts and CR guidance. 

I guess we try to write a 'low hanging fruit' CR (editorial only). 

We could decide NOT to deprecate the misplaced 'default-xxx' properties 
in CIM_Printer and just revise their descriptions to warn that 
authoritative info can be found in their sibling properties in 

We could warn that 'current-xxx' properties were inherently ambiguous
and therefore 'implementation-dependent'.

That's sort of a diplomatic course that treats as editorial what we 
think were mistakes, without stepping on the toes of any previous 
implementors or CR submitters.

- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 
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Subject: WIMS> CIM> A few notes from today's concall with CIM Core WG

The concall today went reasonably well, and we got much more than our
allotted fifteen minutes of fame.  Still didn't quite get thru it all, but
Comments that I heard and noted during the discussion. 
- Adding properties to PrintService, no problem.  Deprecating properties 
harder.  We may get pushback from some people who have already implemented
them, like parts of IBM or HP. 
- Need to find out what the history of the changes was.  It's their
impression that all the changes were made on behalf of PWG by some 
in Core.  John Crandall will get hold of Steve Jerman.
- For some items such as consoles, covers, channels, maybe counters, it 
likely be better to write a profile that describes how to use existing
classes to model these items.  Need to check on the availability of 
existing classes. 
- Language interpreter might be modeled with SoftwareIdentity; not 
- For some items, we can probably use the Capabilities and Settings 
and mechanism already in CIM.  [Might be reasonable for paper sizes, media
paths, trays.]
- We should take a look at the Profile User's Guide for guidance.  [I'll 
to find it.] 
Overall, the topic ended very abruptly and I felt left hanging.  We need a
working contact or two within Core who can do the education back and forth
about CIM and Printers.  We need to look at doing the editorial changes as
"low hanging fruit first."  We need to discuss process.  They did not seem
to disagree with the scope, but the next steps were not clear to me. 
Ira, et al., do you understand better how to proceed? 
Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, System Mgt Arch & Stds 
+1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3 Box 8352, Round Rock, TX 78682 

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