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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003> <DIV><SPAN class=189495419-24022003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>There will be a WBMM </SPAN>telephone conference call. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=189495419-24022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=189495419-24022003>    Time: 4:00 PM 4 March 2003</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=189495419-24022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=189495419-24022003>    Call-in US: </SPAN><SPAN class=189495419-24022003>1-877-628-1350</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=189495419-24022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT size=+0><SPAN class=189495419-24022003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>    Call-in International: 1-712-421-1160 </FONT></DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=189495419-24022003>    </SPAN>Participant<SPAN class=189495419-24022003> Identification number: </SPAN>415259</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>Agenda<SPAN class=901332320-27022003>:</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Attendees</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Review of Agenda</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Review/modify list of issues</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        1. WBMM Objective</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        2. Necessity of new management Model to replace MIBS</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        3. Management Interface Client/Monitor Server Architecture using HTTP over port 80</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        4. Need for alignment with other similar or related activities.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Discuss Issues</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Issue Consideration</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        statement of Issue</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        pro position</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        con position</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        possible compromise</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        Action items/resolution</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    Next steps</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        Next conference call</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>        Review of action items</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Discussion of Issues</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003> Issue 1</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003> <STRONG>Is the WBMM objective just to support extra-enterprise data acquisition facilities as described in the proposed charter, or also to support as of yet undefined intra enterprise management capabilities on the level at or exceeding existing SNMP capabilities?</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003> A. pro position:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    1. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT size=2>if we're going to the trouble to define a new protocol/model for "external" that is going to eventually cover most of what we use SNMP for internally, I  want to be able to use it internally as well.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>    2. It would be good to address some of the scars remaining with the printer MIB as we define a new protocol, data format etc., taken from  a client [consumer] view this time around</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>B. Con position</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>    1. it is not clear that we need to design a new  printer (or imaging device) management model for the extra-enterprise function of WBMM. The contention that since we are doing it anyway, lets add a requirement that makes the new model necessary, is a circular argument</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>    2. the requirements for limited external management are very different and in some cases contradictory to the requirements  for internal  local  device (or service)management</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>C. Possible compromise</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>If it is decided that the intra enterprise functionality is necessary or that  a dual use is efficient and desirable, the efforts may be partitioned  both in development and in operation so that the differing requirements can be addressed separately and implemented independently.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>D. Action Items: Need  a definition of use instances and a consideration of requirements and restrictions for intra-enterprise application</FONT></DIV></FONT></SPAN></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Issue 2:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>Is the definition of a new imaging device/service model, at a level to to replace the MIB, a necessary part of the WBMM effort?</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>A. Pro position:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    1. I want to see us working on a replacement for SNMP and the MIB to give us a solution that works inside the firewall as well as outside the firewall. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    2. We want something more expressive and clearer regarding State, Status and Error reasons than the Printer MIB</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>B Con Position</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    1. Although it may be a worthy objective in itself, definition of a new model is not necessary to satisfy the defined use cases.  </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    2. The WBMM approach must be compatible with the existing equipment base in content if not format. The Monitor, in expressing the information to be gathered form a particular device or service, must be able to give a proxy  management  interface   sufficient information about how to acquire this information so that the proxy can extract it via SNMP, HTTP, a serial connection or whatever without preknowledge in the proxy of the specific form or format that the device or service uses. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    3. Definition of a model to cover printers, copiers, multi-function devices, scanners, print/scan services etc is a monumental task</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>C. Possible Compromise</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Same as for Issue 1. Regardless, the message format between the monitor and the management interface  must be flexible enough to be able to define what the management agent must do regardless of the management model used in either the Monitor or the monitored device/service.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>D.Action Items:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    1. Define the requirements of the new model, and investigate how this would apply to various imaging devices/services</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>    2. If the requirement includes interface with user applications, define the additional detailed requirements imposed by that.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Issue 3. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>For the extra-enterprise mode, there appears to be agreement on the Management interfaces operation as HTTP clients on TCP port 80, and the Monitor acting as a server.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>    1. Should alternate ports be allowed, suggested? </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>    2. Should the capability be made compatible with alternate transports? </STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>    3. If WBMM includes intra-enterprise capability, is  this also the optimum configuration in that mode as well?</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Extensive positions on these items have not been voiced.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG>Issue 4  To what extent as alignment with the approach of other related activities necessary?</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003><STRONG></STRONG></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>A.  Discussion:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>There appears agreement that the WG should keep abreast of related activities in the IETF and DMTF.  There is also the suggestion that some cross-participation and communication to the other groups may be desirable. But the basic contention is that the WG has no inherent obligation to be compatible with any other activities. Nevertheless, some degree of compatibility is desirable in the extra-enterprise mode since the use of these alternate local methods may be necessary for collecting the necessary data.</SPAN> <SPAN class=901332320-27022003>In the intra-enterprise mode, it appears that the activity may actually be in competition with other management protocols being developed, and it would be desirable to allow implementers to leverage their work on one protocol to support the others.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Please communicate if you have additional agenda items or would like to add  basic issues for discussion.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>This list has about 30 subscribers. We hope to have good participation on Tuesday's call. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003>Bill Wagner/NetSilicon, a Digi International Company</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=901332320-27022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>