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Ouch! disallow SETs? I agree (propose) with the concept of subsetting. I am thinking more along the lines of a "growth path"... where we start with Extranet as target and possibly limit our scope to devices, then move to include Intranet and also expand to services, then, finally include queues But I think SET capability is needed, even at the lowest compliance level. If not, how, for example, would a remote manager take a device off-line should this be necessary... or post a message to the opPanel? ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"Wagner,William" <WWagner@NetSilicon.com> Sent by: owner-wbmm@pwg.org 07/24/2003 11:30 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td valign=top>"TAYLOR,BOB (HP-Vancouver,ex1)" <bobt@hp.com>, "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, <wbmm@pwg.org> <tr> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td valign=top> <tr> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td valign=top>RE: WBMM> Queues</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Harry had brought up  the notion of different classes of compliance in his last minutes. I think this  is as it must go. For WBMM monitoring applications, any  set  operation let alone queue management must be disallowed. But that does not mean that we ought not identify and format set operations. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: TAYLOR,BOB (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [mailto:bobt@hp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:55 PM To: 'McDonald, Ira'; 'Harry Lewis'; wbmm@pwg.org Subject: RE: WBMM> Queues I do think doing some sub-setting makes sense - in the case of queues, not all devices/services managed by WBMM will have queues to manage.   Once we understand the potential subsets, we can talk about which ones need to be in WBMM 1.0, and which can follow (or potentially be done in parallel. bt > -----Original Message----- > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:44 AM > To: 'Harry Lewis'; wbmm@pwg.org > Subject: RE: WBMM> Queues > > > Hi Harry, > > Apparently we want to focus on WBMM device management first > (per most of our WBMM discussions). > > However, that doesn't do PSI any particular good, which still > would require the box labelled "and then a miracle happens" > to get a PSI Print Service (or Target Device) installed or > reconfigured after installation. > > Do we care that all PSI implementations will ship without > standards-based management for several more years? > > Cheers, > - Ira McDonald >   High North Inc > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:38 PM > To: wbmm@pwg.org > Subject: WBMM> Queues > > > > Sorry I missed the call. On the topic of queue management. > I've no objection to adding this but wonder if it might > warrant some subsetting of WBMM. Are you going to have to be > able to manage queues to be WBMM compliant? Don't we want to > focus on solving the device management problem first, and > then move on to queue management? > ---------------------------------------------- > Harry Lewis > Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group > http://www.pwg.org > IBM Printing Systems > http://www.ibm.com/printers > 303-924-5337 > ---------------------------------------------- > </tt>