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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1522" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Hi Bill,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looks fine to me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,</DIV> <DIV>- Ira</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]On Behalf Of wamwagner@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:56 PM To: Harry Lewis; wims@pwg.org Subject: WIMS> CIM - DMTF Conference -- initial report </DIV> <DIV> The following is derived from minutes and I beleive is our conclusion on the aoproach toaddress the existing DMTF/PWG work register. I ask that the members of the working group comment on whether this is indeed their understanding of the conclusions reached. Then, separately, we may consider if there is a need to reconsider this approach.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks.</DIV> <DIV>Bill Wagner, Chairman, WIMS WG/PWG</DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p> Approach to Address DMTF/PWG CIM-PWG Alignment Work Register <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> 1.     Identify and Categorize Proposed Updates and Corrections to Current CIM Printing Classes - Basically done for PRINTER in Ira's and Rick's documents<o:p></o:p> 2.     Gain understanding of CIM Change Request (CR) form and process - done, to the extent feasible<o:p></o:p> 3.     Review  and if necessary supplement proposed changes in current documents to identify all applicable changes and to properly categorize according to:<o:p></o:p> a.     Purely editorial changes to improve descriptions and to key elements to proper source documents<o:p></o:p> b.     Minimal technical changes including minor updates to mapping, and perhaps addition of enums that are missing. No deprecation or addition of elements. <o:p></o:p> c.     Complete technical changes including, perhaps extensive deprecation and addition of elements<o:p></o:p> 4.     Changes considered benign and non controversial (primarily from categories a & b) will be formed into a Change Request (CR) and submitted. The PWG WIM/CIM WG will deliver a single CR consisting of CIM editorials changes and minimal (low impact) technical changes to CIM classes and dependant properties. Because of the inter-relationship of printing classes, all nine printing related classes would be addressed.<o:p></o:p> 5.     Changes will be compiled into a PWG informational specification including details of correct usage of elements in CIM.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The need for and desirability of category 'c' changes and the addition of classes, such as for multifunction services, would be considered as a potential continuing activity after the successful completion of the CR activity.<o:p></o:p> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: Harry Lewis <harryl@us.ibm.com> Bill, is there an excerpt from threads or minutes that concisely describes "the approach we have outlined"? ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="40%">wamwagner@comcast.net 12/06/2005 10:34 PM <TD width="59%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>To</DIV> <TD>Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "Whittle, Craig" <cwhittle@sharplabs.com> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>cc</DIV> <TD>"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, "'lee.farrell@cda.canon.com'" <lee.farrell@cda.canon.com>, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler@xeroxlabs.com>, Richard_Landau@Dell.com <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>Subject</DIV> <TD>Re: DMTF Conference -- initial report</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> I second the thanks Craig. It certainly all sounds very positive.  I suggest that we continue with the approach we have outlined. Hopefully, the constructive support from DMTF will encourage more participation from PWG members.   Bill Wagner   -------------- Original message -------------- Great job Craig! I've been trying to convey that they would likely want us to "take the ball and run" (in ANY direction!). You've confirmed this. We should look into the JDF link. I'll start by asking Claudia. Does anyone feel our plans are not well articulated by the "work product options list" we've been floating and a subset of Rick's pres! entation? If anyone wants to contribute a concise summary it will be welcome. Otherwise, I'll be drafting one on the plane Thursday morning. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems ! http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="16%">"Whittle, Craig" <cwhittle@sharplabs.com> 12/06/2005 09:14 PM <TD width="83%"> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="4%"> <DIV align=right>To</DIV> <TD width="95%">wamwagner@comcast.net, "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "'lee.farrell@cda.canon.com'" <lee.farrell@cda.canon.com>, Richard_Landau@Dell.com, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler@xeroxlabs.com> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>cc</DIV> <TD> <TR vAlign=top> <TD> <DIV align=right>Subject</DIV> <TD>DMTF Conference -- initial report</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <TABLE width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR vAlign=top> <TD width="50%"> <TD width="50%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> All:   I was able to meet briefly with Winston Bumpus, John Crandall, and Steve Jerman today to pass on our concerns with PWG/DMTF CIM realignment activity.  Here are some of the highlights: �         Winston was very aware of our need to get help from DMTF community.  In his introduction to DMTF class he mentioned the importance of alliances and mentioned the recent relationship established with the PWG. �         John indicated tha! t the DMTF would sponsor a couple of teleconferences to address our concerns.  When I suggested that the PWG c! ould sponsor the teleconference, he indicated that there would be others in the DMTF who would want to have input into our directions so a DMTF sponsored call would work better for them. �         Steve Jerman does not remember much about the CR he submitted years ago.  He was just the editor.  He said that the changes may have come from JDF in support of job related elements.  He was unaware of any implementations. �         I also learned that deprecating objects is no big deal.  John Crandall said they could always be "undepreciated" in the review cycle. &! nbsp; <! BR>�</FO NT>         John was supportive of starting with editorial and "non-co ntroversial" changes.   I get the feeling they are expecting us to take "take the ball and run with it".  I didn't share our plans beyond the editorial and "non-controversial" work products (I'll wait for Harry to share these plans).  Let me know if you have any specific questions (and to whom) you would like for me to ask.   Best regards,   **CW   </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>