P1394 Mail Archive: Re: P1394> 1284.4 over SBP-2

P1394 Mail Archive: Re: P1394> 1284.4 over SBP-2

Re: P1394> 1284.4 over SBP-2

ALAN_BERKEMA@HP-Roseville-om2.om.hp.com
Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:56:43 -0800

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I tend to favor option B as well.

I think Shimura san has some good points at the end of his message
that goes to the heart of what is still not clear with the option B
proposal. I think we need to work up some example scenarios and
explore exactly how this will work. Greg Shue got any ideas here.

regards,
Alan

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Subject: Re: P1394> 1284.4 over SBP-2
Author: Non-HP-shimura (shimura@pure.cpdc.canon.co.jp) at HP-Roseville,mimegw3
Date: 2/12/98 7:05 AM

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:21:19 -0800 (PST)
Greg Shue <gregs@sdd.hp.com> wrote:

> > I await your responses.
>
> OK, here we go...

OK, I'll follow...

> Larry Stein wrote:
>
> > At this point in time we have apparently narrowed our potential solutions
> > to the following:
> >
> > A- 1284.4 with SBP-2
> > B- New SBP-2 command set with SBP-2

(snip)

> As I understood it, the ability for 'a peripheral to operate over
> various interfaces without requiring major architectural changes
> to the product' is provided by meeting the specified transport
> service requirements. As long as the transport requirements are
> met, no architectural changes are required of the product. Thus,
> the transport layers are all modular with respect to the product.

I agree. This was original intent of the HPT which Ueda-san and I
introduced from last June meeting.

(snip)

> Given all of this, I am compelled to support option B.

Basically, I also support to consider option B, but it is still not
clear for me how the data transfer of each direction is done
independently within single login in SBP-2 only solution.

If target request data transfer by "Data Available" flag in certain
status block, initiator will subsequently append "SND data-in" ORB in
the current task list. It will be possible for the target to check if
there is a "SND data-in" ORB in the task list BEFORE the initiator
appends the "SND data-in" ORB. After finding there is no "SND data-in"
ORB, the target may issue another unsolicited status which indicates
"Data Available". By this status, the initiator may append one more
(total two) "SND data-in" ORB in the task list. After that, the
target will need to abort the excessive ORB.
Is this a way the SBP-2 only solution works?

I think that aborting tasks implies subsequent task retries, and may
not be efficient.
It seems natural to make two independent logins for each direction,
one for down-link and another for up-link by using the idea to map
them into logical units. Furthermore, by extending this to allow to
allocate up-link in reverse fashion (i.e., the target of down-link
makes a login to the initiator of down-link), the link between two
devices will become symmetric if both ends have both initiator and
target functionality.

Any suggestions?

--
 Akihiro Shimura (shimura@pure.cpdc.canon.co.jp) 
 Office Imaging Products Development Center 3 
 CANON INC.

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