PWG-IPP Mail Archive: RE: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Productio

RE: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Production Printing Attributes

From: Herriot, Robert (Robert.Herriot@pahv.xerox.com)
Date: Wed Feb 21 2001 - 13:54:16 EST

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    Please send me a list of holes in IDPrinting of JDF. It would be good to
    have more people review it and distribute comments.

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:20 PM
    > To: Hastings, Tom N
    > Cc: owner-pwg@pwg.org; pwg@pwg.org; pwg-ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: RE: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Production Printing Attributes
    >
    >
    > I agree with the benefit of cross referencing and
    > co-developing (portions
    > of the IPP and JDF standards). But this sounds like Chicken
    > and Egg. I see
    > lots of holes in Appx F. This is not a criticism of Bob's
    > work. It's a
    > basic question of who's driving what.
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > Harry Lewis
    > IBM Printing Systems
    > ----------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>
    > 02/20/2001 05:40 PM
    >
    >
    > To: Harry Lewis <harryl@us.ibm.com>
    > cc: owner-pwg@pwg.org, pwg@pwg.org, pwg-ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: RE: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Production
    > Printing Attributes
    >
    >
    >
    > Harry,
    >
    > I think that it is a good time to publish the PWG Production Printing
    > extensions as a PWG Draft standard, because of its
    > relationship with JDF
    > which is just about to publish its 1.0 version. Having the
    > PWG Production
    > Printing Instructions being progressed through the PWG (and
    > they've past
    > Last Call - twice), was the major reason that we were able to
    > get JDF to
    > add
    > Integrated Digital Printing (called IDPrinting) process into
    > JDF and to
    > add
    > the Appendix that maps IDPrinting to IPP.
    >
    > The printing part of JDF is primarily for production printing.
    >
    > Thus IPP and the PWG Production Printing extensions have had
    > an impact on
    > JDF and the Appendix maps JDF to IPP, including the PWG Production
    > Printing
    > extensions. If the PWG doesn't go forward with publishing the PWG
    > Production Printing standard, then the JDF folks will probably have to
    > delete their appendix and most of the IDPrinting process.
    > That would be a
    > real step backward and would leave IPP and JDF with no commonality.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Tom
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 16:28
    > To: Hastings, Tom N
    > Cc: owner-pwg@pwg.org; pwg@pwg.org; pwg-ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: Re: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Production Printing Attributes
    >
    >
    > Nonetheless, with JDF still in development, is this a good time to
    > progress such a "production" intensive extension to IPP?
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > Harry Lewis
    > IBM Printing Systems
    > ----------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>
    > Sent by: owner-pwg@pwg.org
    > 02/20/2001 04:18 PM
    >
    >
    > To: Harry Lewis <harryl@us.ibm.com>
    > cc: pwg-ipp@pwg.org, pwg@pwg.org
    > Subject: PWG> RE: PWG-IPP> IPP Production Printing
    > Attributes
    >
    >
    >
    > Harry,
    >
    > The PWG Production Printing documents have been published
    > since January
    > 2000
    > on the PWG server.
    >
    > However, we didn't really address them until the September
    > meeting. The
    > minutes contain the following:
    >
    > 2.5 Production Printing
    >
    > Carl-Uno referenced the JDF activity
    > [www.job-definition-format.org] that
    > has received much attention at the Seybold Conference. According to
    > Carl-Uno, there is an ongoing attempt to get the JDF effort
    > to adopt the
    > IPP
    > semantics.
    >
    > 2.6 Production Printing Attributes
    >
    > Tom Hastings led a review of the latest draft of the
    > Production Printing
    > Attributes document:
    > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_PPE/pwg-ipp-prod-print-set1-
    > 000605.pdf
    > It was suggested that a "force new sheet" attribute should be added. A
    > capability for defining "flush-left/right/top/bottom" was
    > also suggested.
    >
    > It was agreed that "x-image-auto-center" and
    > "y-image-auto-center" will be
    > replaced by "x-image-position" (left/right/center) and
    > "y-image-position"
    > (top/bottom).
    >
    > "Job-recipient-name" and "media-weight-english" were removed from the
    > document.
    >
    > It was suggested that the protocol include the specification
    > of both input
    > tray and media size. A "media-by-tray" attribute will be added.
    >
    > During the review, Tom noted various other minor
    > modifications that were
    > suggested and agreed. He will update the document and issue
    > the next draft
    > before a PWG Last Call.
    >
    > 3.4 Presentation Direction
    >
    > Bob explained two new [Job Template]
    > attributes-"presentation-direction-requested" and
    > "presentation-direction-number-up"-that he proposes for additional
    > control.
    >
    > It was agreed that presentation-direction (as it applies to
    > number-up)
    > will
    > be included in the updated Production Printing Attributes document.
    >
    >
    >
    > We also reviewed the document again at the December IPP WG
    > meeting (which
    > you were unable to attend). Those minutes contain:
    >
    > 2. Administrivia
    > · Final voting process to start to become PWG standards:
    > * IPP Production Printing Attributes - Set1
    > * IPP Override Attributes for Documents and Pages
    > * IPP "output-bin" attribute extension
    > * IPP "finishings" attribute values extension
    >
    > 10.1 IPP Production Printing Attributes - Set1
    >
    > Tom Hastings announced that Xerox has discovered a few problems with
    > Impression Image Shifting Attributes in this document and
    > would like to
    > delay its progression to PWG Standard. They would like to include more
    > terms, attributes, and clarifications in Section 3.18. Tom
    > explained the
    > new
    > attributes and described several methods of placing
    > impressions on paper.
    > The proposed modifications have not yet been distributed for review,
    > but Tom plans to issue a new draft soon.
    >
    > We discussed the image shifting by drawing pictures on the flip chart
    > easel
    > to verify that the distinctions between imposition and
    > signature printing
    > agreed with industry practice.
    > I hope this helps answer your concerns about the time we've
    > spent on them.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Tom
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 14:24
    > To: pwg-ipp@pwg.org; pwg@pwg.org
    > Cc: hastings; Herriot, Robert; cmanros
    > Subject: PWG-IPP> IPP Production Printing Attributes
    >
    >
    > As the vote for IPP Production Attributes nears, I would like
    > to reiterate
    >
    >
    > several concerns I have had throughout the life of this draft.
    >
    > 1. As a PWG draft, this topic does not seem to have received the same
    > level of attention and discussion (ex. in f2f meetings or on
    > the wire) as
    > have the IETF related efforts (Notifications, Security,
    > Bakeoff's etc.).
    > While the document has received a couple short reviews, it is
    > my opinion
    > that these have been overshadowed by broader issues at the
    > f2f meetings.
    >
    > 2. The document introduces numerous concepts such as page
    > ordering, image
    > shifting and finishing features, some of which are fairly
    > exotic. Granted,
    >
    >
    > the scope of this proposal is "Production" but I wonder if
    > this narrow
    > scope may have resulted in less than broad participation in actually
    > reviewing and digesting this document.
    >
    > 3. There are other industry consortia addressing similar
    > areas. The CIP4 -
    >
    >
    > JDF is one example. There has been no formal PWG effort to
    > assure harmony
    > or compatibility between JDF and IPP Production Attributes.
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > Harry Lewis
    > IBM Printing Systems
    > ----------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    >
    >
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