PWG-IPP Mail Archive: Re: PWG-IPP> Last Call Comments on IPP

Re: PWG-IPP> Last Call Comments on IPP "-actual" Attributes Document

From: Dennis Carney (dcarney@us.ibm.com)
Date: Thu Jan 23 2003 - 09:48:39 EST

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    Ron,

    Thanks for the review. I'll cover your comments one by one.

    1. I want the "-actual" proposal to extend both IPP 1.1 AND 1.0. That is,
    some implementer that implements 1.0 (maybe they can't do 1.1 due to not
    doing security?) could still implement the "-actual" extension. I
    *definitely* don't want to limit this to only extending IPP 1.1--to tell a
    1.0 implementer that to do "-actual"s they also have to do 1.1.

    So, I don't understand the situation. If 2565 and 2566 are obsolete, does
    that mean IPP 1.0 is "obsolete"? Is it against the rules to extend an
    obsolete standard, no matter how many implementations might exist in the
    real world? Is there a way to extend 1.0 without breaking any rules (like
    maybe just remove the two RFCs from the references section, or make them
    Informative References)?

    2. I like your suggestion.

    3. I don't mind getting rid of that text, but thought it made things
    clearer, if not to the editorial reader then to the implementer. What do
    others think?

    4. Is there a way in Word to tell it not to do that?

    5. Tom Hastings was putting together a new "PWG template", and in that, he
    was making the argument to use the page numbering and headers you see in
    the "-actual" spec, for usability (especially Acrobat Reader) reasons. He
    convinced me (and Harry went along) to use the more usable method in this
    document. If need be, I can change these.

    Dennis Carney
    IBM Printing Systems

                                                                                                                                                       
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    Technically the document looks very sound. The following comments
    are primarily editorial.

    1. RFC 2565 and 2566 are obsolete. It is not appropriate to reference
       obsolete documents, especially as a normative reference. See
          Line 146 (in section 1 Introduction)
          Line 228 (in section 3 -actual attributes)
          Line 331 - 336 (in section 7.1 Normative References

    2. In lines 151 & 152 recommend changing "(or are going to print)" to
       "(or are expected to be printed)" to be more consistent with the
       example in section 3.3.

    3. In line 239 remove "that has the" and all of the text in the
       following line. This additional text adds nothing and results in
       a sentence that is very difficult to read.

    4. In lines 279 and 280 there is a strange split (by WORD) of the
       string "-attribute".

    5. The formatting of the document is not per ISTO requirements.
       Specifically page numbering and headers. Is there a procedure
       for format review prior to final publication? I propose that
       this needs to be established.

                 Ron Bergman
                 Hitachi Printing Solutions



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