Semantic Model Mail Archive: RE: SM> FinishingAtributes vs.

Semantic Model Mail Archive: RE: SM> FinishingAtributes vs.

RE: SM> FinishingAtributes vs. page control

From: HALL,DAVID (HP-Vancouver,ex1) (dhall@hp.com)
Date: Mon Oct 21 2002 - 08:48:03 EDT

  • Next message: Zehler, Peter: "RE: SM> FinishingAtributes vs. page control"

    Hey Pete...

    In your first example, would only pages 5 to 10 print? Or would all of the
    pages of the document print, 5-10 being in landscape?

    Oh wait, I think I get it - in the first example, on pages 5 to 10 print.
    In the second example, the whole document prints, with pages 5 to 10 being
    overriden to be in portrait... Correct?

    Dave

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:PZehler@crt.xerox.com]
    Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:32 AM
    To: 'TAYLOR,BOB (HP-Vancouver,ex1)'; PWG Semantic Model WG (E-mail)
    Subject: RE: SM> FinishingAtributes vs. page control

    Bob,

    You are not reading this correctly. The grouping of elements within the
    DocumentProcessing element does not imply any scope over which the group
    applies. The Processing elements apply to the object to which they are
    bound. JobProcessing applies to the Job and DocumentProcessing applies to
    the Document. The model allows you to apply an imposition to a document
    which is a subset of the documents pages and/or apply an imposition to a
    subset of the document pages. Examples included below.
    (I had originally defined the sub-elements of DocumentProcessing as groups
    instead of elements to indicate this relationship. Since HP wanted to be
    able to use them independently I made them elements and complex types.)

    These elements already exist within a Job as a default for all the documents
    within or they exist within a document and apply only to that document. It
    seems that we can model fairly sophisticated jobs. I think the PWG jobs
    look more like JDF intent nodes since there is no control over how the
    processing is performed.

    Pete

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    Apply an imposition to a document which is a subset of the documents pages:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
    <DocumentProcessingAttributes xmlns="http://www.pwg.org/pwg/"
    xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
    xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.pwg.org/pwg/
    DocumentProcessing.xsd">
            <ImpositionGroup>
                    <OrientationRequested>landscape</OrientationRequested>
            </ImpositionGroup>
            <FinishingGroup>
                    <PageRanges>
                            <pages>
                                    <Lowerbound>5</Lowerbound>
                                    <Upperbound>10</Upperbound>
                            </pages>
                    </PageRanges>
            </FinishingGroup>
    </DocumentProcessingAttributes>
    _______________________________________________________________
    Apply an imposition to a subset of the document pages:
    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
    <DocumentProcessingAttributes xmlns="http://www.pwg.org/pwg/"
    xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
    xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.pwg.org/pwg/
    DocumentProcessing.xsd">
            <ImpositionGroup>
                    <OrientationRequested>portrait</OrientationRequested>
            </ImpositionGroup>
            <FinishingGroup>
                    <PageOverride>
                            <PageRanges>
                                    <pages>
                                            <Lowerbound>5</Lowerbound>
                                            <Upperbound>10</Upperbound>
                                    </pages>
                            </PageRanges>
            
    <OrientationRequested>landscape</OrientationRequested>
                    </PageOverride>
            </FinishingGroup>
    </DocumentProcessingAttributes>
    _______________________________________________________________

    -----Original Message-----
    From: TAYLOR,BOB (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [mailto:robert_b_taylor@hp.com]
    Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 7:00 PM
    To: PWG Semantic Model WG (E-mail)
    Subject: SM> FinishingAtributes vs. page control

    Hi all,

    I got hit with another question internally that I couldn't answer.
    Currently, the
    following attributes are all in the finishing group:

                            <xsd:element ref="Copies" minOccurs="0"/>
                            <xsd:element ref="PageOverride" minOccurs="0"
    maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
                            <xsd:element ref="PagesPerSubset" minOccurs="0"
    maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
                            <xsd:element ref="PageRanges" minOccurs="0"
    maxOccurs="unbounded"/>

    It seems to us that you would really want these at a higher level - e.g.,
    you
    ought to be able to select PageRanges for an imposition, etc. The way it's
    currently structured, it appears that these would only apply to things in
    the
    finishing group - are we reading this correctly?

    Along these lines - do these attributes really live in a new object sitting
    inside documentprocessingattributes that allows us to select
    pagesets(copies,
    overrides, ranges, etc.) and apply any of the rendering/imposition/finishing
    attributes against? This would be something along the line of JDF runlists.
    Or - do we just say that these kinds of jobs are outside the scope of the
    PWG-SM?

    bt

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