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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have been meaning to send in a question about how we should represent printed electronics. To some degree, the technology creates the same semantic issues as fabric but it also brings color of ink when current is applied into the semantics as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>See: <a href="http://www.printedelectroniccover.com/">http://www.printedelectroniccover.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>/Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul Tykodi<br>Principal Consultant<br>TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC<br><br>Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820<br>Mobile: 603-866-0712<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WWW: </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.tykodi.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>http://www.tykodi.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 18, 2012 5:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> William A Wagner<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bill,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>........<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Printable-Fabric-Printers-03384/dp/B0000C0CJZ">http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Printable-Fabric-Printers-03384/dp/B0000C0CJZ</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://www.lexjet.com/p-3009-Photo-Tex-PSA-Fabric-Aqueous-Printers.aspx">http://www.lexjet.com/p-3009-Photo-Tex-PSA-Fabric-Aqueous-Printers.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><a href="http://www.fabricdepot.com/index.php?page=CatalogPage&pageid=14515">http://www.fabricdepot.com/index.php?page=CatalogPage&pageid=14515</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>fabric<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>fabric-heat-adhesive<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>fabric-self-adhesive<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>fabric-fine<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>fabric-coarse<span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used. If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]">[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Petrie, Glen<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Glen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-cotton<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-glossy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-high-gloss<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-inkjet<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-linen<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-matte<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-semi-gloss<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-tweed<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fabric-waterproof<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton". Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Glen</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, June 18, 2012 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Peter Zehler<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[IPP] media-type names and cotton?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pete/All,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif";color:black'>________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif";color:black'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>believed to be clean.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif";color:black'>________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Monaco","serif";color:black'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>believed to be clean.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Monaco","serif"'>________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Monaco","serif"'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br>believed to be clean. <o:p></o:p></p></div><br />--
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