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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'>Thanks for the feedback Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Michael Sweet
[mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:57
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> ipp@pwg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [IPP] Discussion on
IPP FaxOut</span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Glen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Since
we are in PWG Last Call, these would be great as last call comments, but my
responses are inline...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
May 30, 2013, at 10:40 AM, "Petrie, Glen" <<a
href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>All,<u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
have not had the cycles to review the IPP-FaxOut specification until now and
was greatly surprised at the some of the requirements and
specification. <u5:p></u5:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>For
example "IPP FaxOut Jobs MUST be retained for a minimum of 300
seconds"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Job history in order for the client to
know the disposition of the job (there are already legal requirements for
retaining fax history longer than this anyways)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>,
"Printers [IPP FaxOut Service???] MUST support scaling and color space
conversion of document data to match the negotiated facsimile image format at
the job processing time"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>If the IPP Printer reports color fax
support, the client may send a color document to fax. But if the receiver
does not support color fax we want the IPP Printer to send it B&W unless
ipp-attribute-fidelity and print-color-mode are specified to force color fax.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>,
and "Imaging Devices [IPP FaxOut Services???] that can only stream print
jobs to a single destination URI MUST support retransmission of the current
page". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Retransmission of the current page is a
basic fax protocol requirement; all MFDs I know of can buffer at least 1 page
of fax data, and most buffer a lot more...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>There
are many of these types of requirements that appear to be Client and/or the
Imaging Devices "product/implementation design specifications" and
not what I expected to be API interfaces capability and job submission
specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We did have a lot of discussion about
that last year, which resulted in all of the language to support low-end MFDs
that could only buffer a single page and could not handle full retransmission.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>For
instance, the IPP FaxOut Service should be provide capability on "Job
Retention times supported", "Fax Scaling Supported", "Color
Spaces Conversion Supported" and "Retransmission Supported"
versus this specification setting device and client design and implementation
requirements for these capabilities.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>As I mentioned above, legal requirements
for fax vary but basically all of them require a retained job history far
longer/larger than 300 seconds (5 minutes).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The Printer reports its supported
scaling/colorspace conversion capability by reporting whether it supports color
and what PWG Raster resolutions and types it supports. And a fax-capable
MFD already has to support scaling (to the negotiated resolution) and probably
dithering and colorspace conversions from its scanner.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>An
example of the simplest fax out would be something like "no-cover,
single-sheet, one-recipient, (jpeg) image – to – fax binary CCITT Encoding,
no-retry, no-job-hold-after". Anything beyond that should be based
on the capability of the specific IPP FaxOut Service implementation and/or the
Client implementation but independent of a "MUST" requirement of the
PWG / IPP FaxOut Service specification. However, the PWG / IPP
FaxOut Service specification must define how capability information is
specified.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The only required format is PWG Raster,
which has several attributes that describe the supported resolutions and color
spaces.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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