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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>At the risk of adding confusion...<br><br>We speak of submitting Jobs with document data by reference (URI)<br>or by value (attached).  <br></div><br>Why not just add &quot;by scan (local scanner)&quot;.<br>
<br></div>What I don&#39;t like about the term &quot;Hardcopy Document Object&quot; is that <br>the word Scan or Scanner isn&#39;t there, but this is always the source.<br><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br>
</div><div>PS - I dislike putting titlecase prefixes on Document Object or Job<br></div><div>Object - it muddies readability.<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Zehler, Peter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">






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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Well, I guess I’ll be quiet now except to say it would be a good time to describe the attributes and constraints on all three types of Documents.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:14 PM</span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:IPP@pwg.org" target="_blank">IPP@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Don&#39;t redefine Hardcopy Document<u></u><u></u></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pete,<u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess we are in violent agreement.  One comment below.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2013-08-06, at 12:54 PM, &quot;Zehler, Peter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the difference between a Hardcopy Document and a Hardcopy Document /Object/. We need to define the latter and not the former.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&lt;PZ&gt;I see no subclasses of Documents in the PWG Semantic Model or IPP.  Whether a document is added to a Job by value, by reference, or by reference to the
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not suggesting a subclass of document.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We already categorize documents as &quot;referenced&quot; and &quot;with attached document data&quot;. For hardcopy documents we would have a Document Object containing description attributes/elements that identify the source and properties of the hardcopy
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<p class="MsoNormal">I chose to call it a &quot;Hardcopy Document Object&quot; as opposed to a &quot;Document Object with Associated Hardcopy Document Input Elements&quot;.  How the digital representation is stored and when exactly the document is scanned are, IMHO, implementation
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