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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Smith,<br><br></div>As with IETF RFCs and W3C Recommendations, publicly visible errata<br></div>have great value, even if the spec itself isn't updated for awhile. They can<br></div>documentation of curated and WG approved solutions to ambiguities or</div><div>missing text.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094<br>May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target="_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding?<div><br></div><div>I'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG specification errata.<div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><div>
Smith<br><br><br>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_3853883107129891976WordSection1" style="font-family:LucidaGrande;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Smith,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sorry about that. I guess we should have used “inherited” and “overridden” in the job/document attribute discussions.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Pete<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 6pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Impact,sans-serif;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Xerox Corp.</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Global Development Group</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy"><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=800+Phillips+Rd&entry=gmail&source=g">800 Phillips Rd</a>, 111-04A</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Email:<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Office:<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20265-8755" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">+1 (585) 265-8755</a><br>Fax:<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20265-8755" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">+1 (585) 422-0238</a></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:navy">Mobile:<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B1%20%28585%29%20329-9508" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">+1 (585) 329-9508</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span>ipp [<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>O<wbr>n Behalf Of<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Ira McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target="_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>>; Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span>PWG IPP WG Reflector <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Smith,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You got it right.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">object) and much later there were Document attributes. And the word<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">"default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default"<u></u><u></u></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">- Ira<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">http://sites.google.com/site/<wbr>blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">http://sites.google.com/site/<wbr>highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto:<span class="m_3853883107129891976Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.<wbr>com</a><br>Jan-April: <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g">579 Park Place</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g">Saline, MI</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g">48176</a> <a href="tel:(734)%20944-0094" value="+17349440094" target="_blank">734-944-0094</a><br>May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 <a href="tel:(906)%20494-2434" value="+19064942434" target="_blank">906-494-2434</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Greetings,<br><br>Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attributes in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the individual Document objects in a Document creation operation? The use of "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 etc.<br><br>Smith<br><br>/**<br> Smith Kennedy<br> Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS<br> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB IF<br> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group<br> HP Inc.<br>*/<br><br><br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ipp</a></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>