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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I hope Job Extensions, because I see them as filling holes in original IPP/1.1.</div><div>All printers implement some Job History (perhaps pretty short-lived).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG</div><div>Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG<br></div><div dir="ltr">Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">+1 for all 3 of them.<div><br></div><div>To what spec do we want to add these? Job Extensions v1.1? Enterprise Printing Extensions? Or System Service?<br>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Ira McDonald via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div>Hi Mike,</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, to all three of these proposed attributes.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG</div><div>Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG<br></div><div dir="ltr">Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/N81mCn5XpXTLXommtJmdHU?domain=sites.google.com" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/qJHYCo2KqKhGDzvvuVMKHM?domain=sites.google.com" style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto:<span class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:21 PM Michael Sweet via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Oh, and as I was writing this up I thought of maybe the following as well (since IPP/1.1 is vague about what the history contains):<div><br></div><div>job-history-attributes-configured (1setOf keyword)</div><div><br></div><div>This Printer Description attribute lists the Job attributes that will be retained in the history phase of each Job. IPP/1.1 [STD92] specifies that at least the "job-id", "job-printer-uri", "job-state", and "job-state-reasons" attributes MUST be retained in the history phase.</div><div><br></div><div>This attribute MUST be supported if the "job-history-attributes-supported" (section N.M.P) attribute is supported.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>job-history-attributes-supported (1setOf keyword)</div><div><br></div><div>This Printer Description attribute lists the Job attributes that can be retained in the history phase of each Job.</div><div><div><br></div><div>This attribute MUST be supported if the "job-history-attributes-configured" (section N.M.P) attribute is supported.</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 7, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370gmail-m_-3579750841509042921Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>All,<br><br>For your consideration, the following two Printer Description attributes would allow a Client to discover (and potentially the administrator to configure since the values are settable) how long a Job will stay in the history phase.<br><br>(I also considered "job-history-xxx" and "job-history-time-xxx" for the names; "interval" seemed the most consistent with other existing attributes, particularly with notifications)<br><br>--------<br><br>job-history-interval-configured (integer(0:MAX))<br><br>This Printer Description attribute specifies the minimum number of seconds that a Job will remain in the history phase of its lifecycle [STD92]. Printers SHOULD have a default configured value of at least 60 seconds to allow Clients to discover the disposition of any Jobs that have reached a terminating state.<br><br>This attribute MUST be supported if the "job-history-interval-supported" (section N.M.P) attribute is supported.<br><br><br>job-history-interval-supported (rangeOfInteger(0:MAX))<br><br>This Printer Description attribute specifies the range of values that are supported for the "job-history-interval-configured" Printer Description attribute.<br><br>This attribute MUST be supported if the "job-history-interval-configured" (section N.M.P) attribute is supported.<br><br><br>_________________________________________________________<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div><span class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370gmail-m_-3579750841509042921Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:"Andale Mono";font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;line-height:normal;border-spacing:0px"><div><span class="gmail-m_-166534533318198370gmail-m_-3579750841509042921Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:"Andale Mono";font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div>_________________________________________________________<br>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer</div></span></div></span></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/fxgUCmZ6o6hYpnWWIGXtnT?domain=pwg.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><br></blockquote></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">ipp mailing list</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/fxgUCmZ6o6hYpnWWIGXtnT?domain=pwg.org" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank">https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/fxgUCmZ6o6hYpnWWIGXtnT?domain=pwg.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>