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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">HI Chris,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Even though you found your answer in STD92, this is in fact covered in a number of sections of PWG 5100.1-2017 "IPP Finishings 2.1".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Section 1 says this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">The coordinate system scheme used in this specification agrees with the Finisher MIB [RFC3806], which in turn follows the ISO DPA [ISO10175] approach of using a coordinate system as if the document were portrait. The approach for coordinate system being relative to the intended reading direction depends on the device being able to understand the orientation embedded in the PDL, which is too problematic for many PDLs. The approach for the coordinate system of being relative to the media feed direction is too dependent on the way the device is configured, i.e., pulling short edge first vs. long edge first, and can vary between different output bins in the same device.</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Section 4 says: "As in [RFC3806], all IPP finishing processes are specified with respect to portrait media orientation."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And section 5.1 "finishings (1setOf type2 enum)" says this:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">The positional values are specified with respect to the Document as if the Document were a portrait Document. If the Document is actually a landscape or a reverse-landscape Document, the Client supplies the appropriate transformed value. For example, to position a staple in the upper left hand corner of a landscape Document when held for reading, the Client supplies the ‘staple-bottom-left’ value since landscape is defined as an anti-clockwise rotation from portrait. On the other hand, to position a staple in the upper left hand corner of a reverse-landscape Document when held for reading, the Client supplies the ‘staple-top- right’ value since reverse-landscape is defined as a clockwise rotation from portrait. Figure 2 shows how content is placed on sheets for each "orientation-requested" value where "feed- orientation" is 'short-edge-first'. Figure 3 shows how content is placed on sheets for each "orientation-requested" value where "feed-orientation" is 'long-edge-first'. If the Printer supports "media-col-ready" and / or "media-col-database", the Client could discover the media feed orientation and direction by checking the values of the "media-source-feed- orientation" and "media-source-feed-direction" sub-member attributes of "media-col".</div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe you were reading an earlier draft of 5100.1?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 27, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Rizzo, Christopher via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" class="">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Never mind, found it in RFC 8011 section 5.2.6 (right after I sent out previous email of course)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chris<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Christopher Rizzo<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">Xerox Corporation<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">GDG/Discovery/Advance Technology<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; 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font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">"The realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs."<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">-Maurice Wilkes,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Memoirs of a Computer Pioneer</i></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="" class="">Christopher Rizzo <<a href="mailto:Christopher.Rizzo@xerox.com" class="">Christopher.Rizzo@xerox.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 9:38 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>PWG Workgroup <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" class="">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>What does staple-top-left actually mean?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Can someone direct me to the IPP spec that defines (for example) when staple-top-left is specified, what location on the LEF, SEF, portrait or landscape media should the staple actually be placed?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Trying to make sure I see consistency between a MOPRIA, AirPrint and generic IPP request, and the output generated (where the staple is placed).</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Tried to discern this from the IPP Finishings spec and could not find it.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Thanks,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chris</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; 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