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<div dir="ltr">FYI - Discussed at PWG Steering Committee today - forwarded for interested contributors on IPP mailing list.<br clear="all"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Paul Tykodi</b><br>Date: Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 12:45 PM<br>Subject: FW: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals<br></div><br><div class="msg-2294950107635601637"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-2294950107635601637WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">Hi<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">This forwarded email thread is FYI …<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">I hope that everyone is having a nice Labor Day holiday.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">In the early 2010’s, as part of my PWG activities, I monitored the W3C CSS mailing list and the W3C Digital Publishing Interest Group mailing list for print related postings. When IDPF and W3C merged, the W3C Digital Publishing Interest Group was disbanded and replaced by the PBG (Publishing Business Group). The W3C initiative Bill attended back in 2013 “Publishing Using the Open Web Platform” seemed to run out of energy when the DPIG was disbanded.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">I recently received an invitation to an upcoming CSS Working Group meeting (I think just because I was formerly subscribed to the CSS mailing list), which reminded me of the previous W3C PWG focused activities from the 2012 – 2015 timeframe.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2f5597">/Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Paul Tykodi<br>Principal Consultant<br>TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC<br><br>Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820<br>Mobile: 603-866-0712<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">WWW: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.tykodi.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.tykodi.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">This e-mail reply and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Tykodi Consulting Services LLC <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">immediately by replying to this message and destroying all copies of this message <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">and any attachments. Thank you</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <<a href="mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org" target="_blank">cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 4, 2023 4:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ivan Herman <<a href="mailto:ivan@w3.org" target="_blank">ivan@w3.org</a>>; Liisa McCloy-Kelley <<a href="mailto:LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com" target="_blank">LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com</a>>; Daihei Shiohama (<span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">塩濱大平</span>) <<a href="mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp" target="_blank">shiohama@mediado.jp</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> W3C Publishing Steering Committee <<a href="mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org" target="_blank">public-publishing-sc@w3.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Dear Ivan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Good morning and thank you very much for the information.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The topic seems important to me for all those who have single-source-publishing flows: XML to PDF for printing or HTML to PDF for printing.<br><br>In Italy (and Europe) there are not many, but still it makes sense in my opinion.<br><br>Many companies that produce PDF files automatically (bills, airline tickets, contracts, etc.) use these technologies. It would be interesting to also address the issue of producing accessible PDFs from these technologies (XML, XHTML, CSS).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">All my best<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Cristina<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Da: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Ivan Herman <<a href="mailto:ivan@w3.org" target="_blank">ivan@w3.org</a>><br><b>Data: </b>lunedì 4 settembre 2023, 07:12<br><b>A: </b>Liisa McCloy-Kelley <<a href="mailto:LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com" target="_blank">LMcCloy-Kelley@randomhouse.com</a>>, Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA <<a href="mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org" target="_blank">cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org</a>>, Daihei Shiohama <<a href="mailto:shiohama@mediado.jp" target="_blank">shiohama@mediado.jp</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"'PBG Steering Committee (Public)'" <<a href="mailto:public-publishing-sc@w3.org" target="_blank">public-publishing-sc@w3.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>><br><b>Oggetto: </b>Fwd: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Liisa, Christina, Daihei,<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">please find, below, a mail I have just received from Paul Tykodi, from the IEEE Printer Working Group. I would think that exploring how far the Publishing Industry is interested by the development of CSS print would be of importance, and maybe it is a good idea for the PBG to organize some sort of a seminar/meeting, inviting the people from the PWG but also the chairs of the CSS WG. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">We may also think about having a short discussion about it at TPAC next week.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Ivan<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">From: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">"Paul Tykodi" <<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>></span><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Subject: Question - CSS Working Group Activities & W3C Publishing Business Group Goals</span></b><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Date: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">1 September 2023 at 23:05:49 CEST</span><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">To: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><<a href="mailto:ivan@w3.org" target="_blank">ivan@w3.org</a>></span><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Reply-To: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>></span><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Message-Id: </span></b><span lang="IT" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><<a href="mailto:032901d9dd18$168a3450$439e9cf0$@tykodi.com" target="_blank">032901d9dd18$168a3450$439e9cf0$@tykodi.com</a>></span><span lang="IT"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Hi Ivan,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">I haven’t posted into the W3C mailing lists I monitor for quite some time so I wanted to wish you belated congratulations on your retirement!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">I am still participating in the activities of the IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group standards developing organization and I am currently the Co-chair of the PWG Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) Working Group. The PWG is the standards body, which originally developed the CSS-Print (<a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpcssprt10-20030331-5102.2.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpcssprt10-20030331-5102.2.html</span></a>) and XHTML-Print (<a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpxprt10-20030331-5102.1.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-xpxprt10-20030331-5102.1.pdf</span></a>) standards.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Bill Wagner also represented the PWG and gave the attached presentation at the W3C Workshop titled “Publishing and the Open Web Platform”<span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.w3.org/2012/12/global-publisher/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://www.w3.org/2012/12/global-publisher/</span></a><span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span>held at the Centre Pompidou in Paris, France back in 2013.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Today, I received an email notification about an upcoming meeting of the W3C CSS Working Group. It reminded me that an active CSS Working Group might offer an opportunity to improve the printing support defined by CSS.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">As far as I know, there has not been a lot of energy put into most of the following specifications or initiatives in the recent past:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Priorities for CSS from the Digital Publishing Interest Group -<span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-css-priorities/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-css-priorities/</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">CSS Print Profile -<span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/css-print/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://www.w3.org/TR/css-print/</span></a><span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span>- CSS Working Group note says the working group has discontinued work on the document<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">XHTML-Print - Second Edition -<span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-print/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-print/</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">CSS Paged Media Module Level 3 -<span class="m_-2294950107635601637apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.w3.org/TR/css-page-3/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://www.w3.org/TR/css-page-3/</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">If the W3C Publishing Business Group might want to advocate for some specific CSS based improvements focused on printing/publishing during this latest iteration of CSS Working Group activities, I believe the Printer Working Group members would likely be willing to participate in W3C CSS working group related activities focused on improving how the CSS standard supports printing/publishing activities.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT">/Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="IT"> 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