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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you for your response. The issue is summed up as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">The device itself does not allow the selection of the Folder Tray or the Booklet Tray. If a job is programmed for a Trifold C/Z or a Bifold/Booklet (Bifold with center stitch), it WILL be delivered
to the Folder Tray or the Booklet Tray, depending on which. To put it differently, the jobs are automatically delivered to those trays when the appropriate folding is selected. You do NOT get the folding by selecting the output tray.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">If a constraint(s) need(s) to address this, I cannot see how to specify the folder tray is not selectable with all but one job attribute within a constraint. In other words, a constraint "lists
collections of Job Template attributes and values that are <u>incompatible</u> with one another", yet theoretically the constraint should specify the converse, that output-bin = folder (name(MAX)) can only be used with finishings = fold. Otherwise there needs
to be a multitude of constraints for all other job attributes that are combined with output-bin = folder. That seems like a lot of constraints.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Or I am missing something, which wouldn't surprise me d:o)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Chris</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Christopher Rizzo</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ipp <ipp-bounces@pwg.org> on behalf of PWG Workgroup <ipp@pwg.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>PWG Workgroup <ipp@pwg.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, August 23, 2025 at 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>PWG Workgroup <ipp@pwg.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Michael Sweet <msweet@msweet.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [IPP] printer-output-tray and output-bin-supported cardinality issue (PWG 5100.13)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chris,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 22, 2025, at 4:59<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM, Christopher Rizzo via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The following requirement in PWG 5100.13-2023 Section 6.6.10 printer-output-tray:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> "A Printer MUST support this attribute if it supports the "output-bin" attribute [PWG5100.2]. If supported, this attribute MUST have the same cardinality (contain the same number of values) as the "output-bin-supported" Printer Description
attribute [PWG5100.2]. The ith value in this attribute corresponds to the ith value in the "output-bin-supported" attribute."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Presents a conflict in that it's possible some output-bin values cannot be specifically selected in a print-job or create-job request. Output to some bins are controlled only by other job programming attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you provide a concrete example of this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ideally any output tray/roll should be selectable via the "output-bin" Job Template attribute. If there are constraints requiring the use of other Job Template attributes to "enable" a particular paper path, those should be enforced when
accepting a print Job, either by returning the 'successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes' or 'client-error-conflicting-attributes' status codes with the corresponding attributes/values in the unsupported attributes group of the Create-Job/Print-Job/Print-URI
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<p class="MsoNormal">Similarly, the "job-constraints-supported", "job-resolvers-supported", and "job-triggers-supported" Printer attributes can be used to tell a Client what those constraints are and/or to trigger selection of the necessary companion attributes
and values so that the Client UI can manage things prior to Job submission...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael Sweet<o:p></o:p></p>
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