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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear IPP Working Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My name is Tomomi Shiraki from Brother.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I would like to ask a few questions regarding the following discussion to better understand the current IPP specification design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"Canon/Mopria questions/feedback on PWG Raster and media-source-properties:"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.(ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf P.3)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Michael Z: Do we need to support rotation for long-edge feed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">> ⁃</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike: We made the choice to require long-edge feed to support it,
most current clients support media<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:JA">[1]</span>source-properties, but might not know/specify which tray at job creation…<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question) Which is the desired behavior for a PWG-raster printer that supports long-edge paper feed for an particular paper size and tray, and for plain paper?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A. The printer notifies the m-s-f-orientation and m-s-f-direction and expects the client to rotate the image for long-edge feed paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">B. The printer rotates the image for long-edge feed paper itself, regardless of whether it notifies m-s-f-orientation and m-s-f-direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf P.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Slides 19-24:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Four printing methods today:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">> ⁃</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> PWG Raster: Client does all the necessary rotation"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question) Is the case of long-edge feed paper excluded from this general rule?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.(ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf P.3)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Slide 5:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">> ⁃</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike: Mostly correct, but when there isn't a m-s-p the expectation
is that the End User will choose an orientation and the Client software will apply any rotation prior to sending a portrait page image to the Printer"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Slide 6:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> The orientation (portrait, landscape, reverse-portrait, reverse-landscape) is ordinarily an End User choice for regular sheet media - only forced for ""special""
cases (envelopes, letterhead, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Question) For regular sheet media cases, if the printer notifies a single m-s-p entry for an particular paper size and tray as shown below, what is the expected
behavior of the client:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">{A4, tray-1, short-edge-first, 3 (portrait), stationaly}
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A. Ignore the m-s-p and show users orientation settings such as portrait and landscape (two directions), or portrait, landscape, reverse-portrait, and reverse-landscape
(four directions).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">B. Refer to the m-s-p and show users only one orientation (Portrait).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How does a client distinguish whether the sheet media is "special" cases (envelopes, letterhead, etc.)? Is this determined by media-type?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf P.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Slides 19-24:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> Michael Z: Can already do this as a custom media type, provide it in the media-col-database/ready with the correct orientation value<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">> ⁃</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Smith: Have plastic media types but nothing for ""bags"""<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">4.(ippv2-f2f-minutes-20250812.pdf P.4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>Slides 12-18:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif">> ⁃</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mike: Listing multiple media-col-ready values with multiple media
from the same source breaks existing clients and is non-compliant"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Question) For "special" media cases such as envelopes, can users generally print in only one orientation? For example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">media-col-ready {C5, by-pass-tray, short-edge-first, 3 (portrait), envelope} -> The user can print only in "Portrait" orientation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">media-col-ready {C5, by-pass-tray, long-edge-first, 3 (portrait), envelope} -> User can print only "Landscape" orientation ( long-edge feed + 0 degrees = landscape
aspect image, as shown in section 4.2 of wd-ippenvelope10-20250529.pdf .)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">media-col-ready {C5, by-pass-tray, long-edge-first, 5 (reverse-landscape), envelope} -> User can print only "Portrait" orientation (long-edge feed −90 degrees
= portrait aspect image, as shown in section 4.2 of wd-ippenvelope10-20250529.pdf.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I would appreciate it if you could comment on these questions. We would like to continue working on improving the compatibility of our products.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomomi Shiraki<br>
Brother Industries, Ltd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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