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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>OK, I delved
further into the Production Printing Attributes document. At least to a non
Production Printing person, these are arcane attributes but do correspond to &nbsp;elements
that we have in the model. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>At first look I
was &nbsp;interpreting &#8220;Image&#8221; as Content Area. But &nbsp;positioning
the image first must consider the concepts</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'> of </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Finished-Page-Image
Cell and Imposition. &nbsp;Since the </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Finished-Page-Image Cell </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;is defined as the region on the surface of a sheet where
the Finished-Page Image is placed, maybe this is the Content Region? Reading
further,&nbsp; &#8220;</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>When
imposition is not applied, the Finished-Page-Image Cell coincides with the
entire surface of one side of the sheet. When imposition is applied, a) the
sheet is partitioned into multiple non-overlapping Finished-Page-Image Cells,
typically in a rectangular grid, and b) the area near the edges of the sheet
may not belong to any Finished-Page-Image Cell.&#8221; So the Finished-Page-Image
Cell in one case is the entire sheet surface (and does not consider engine margins)
and in the other case is a grid used for addressing the placement of the image.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So &#8220;Image&#8221;
&nbsp;(or </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Finished-Page Image)
</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>is what is positioned and &nbsp;may
correspond to Content Region. Except the &#8220;image&#8221; attributes appear
to only position the image, with the coordinate system for the Image Shifting
attributes being relative to the Finished-Page-Image Cell.&nbsp; That is, the
dimensions of the image are determined by the PDL (and, realistically, limited
by the margins). <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Even the positioning
(or &#8220;shifting&#8221;) of the image is not a simple question of x and y
offset.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&#8220;&#8230;
the Printer first positions the Finished-Page Image [I assume relative to the
origin of an identified </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Finished-Page-Image
Cell ] </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>using the values it
obtains for the &#8220;x-image-position&#8221; and
&#8220;y-image-position&#8221; attributes. Then it shifts the Finished-Page
Image by the amount it obtains for the &#8220;x-image-shift&#8221; and
&#8220;y-image-shift&#8221; attributes. Finally, for a Finished-Page Image that
would be placed on the front side of a sheet in the Finished Document, it
shifts the Finished-Page Image by the amount it obtains for the &#8220;x-side1-image-shift&#8221;
and &#8220;y-side1-image-shift&#8221;. For a Finished-Page Image that would be
placed on the back side of a sheet in the Finished Document, it shifts the
Finished-Page Image by the amount it obtains for the &#8220;x-side2-image-shift&#8221;
and &#8220;y-side2-image-shift&#8221; attributes&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bottom line, for
the MFD overall, the questions are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<h4 style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;
font-weight:normal'>Margins are defined relative to the media edges, and the
content region cannot extend into the margin areas (if the content that would
occur in those areas &nbsp;is to be printed.) However, Margins are device (or
subunit) elements, not Service elements . Therefore, &nbsp;should these be discussed
under &nbsp;</span><a name="_Toc194966386"></a><a name="_Toc204590094"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal'>Scan and Marker
Subunit Media Content Coordinates</span></a><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal'>?<o:p></o:p></span></h4>

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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Do we
want to define the coordinate system for Services using &#8220;Mark&#8221; or &#8220;Print&#8221;?
The elements:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>are included in the model, and perhaps we need to define them
and the coordinate system which they utilize. Certainly we need to distinguish
the marking o</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>rigin as the NW corner
of the Media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>The MFD
model has &#8220;Scan Region&#8221; and &#8220;Copy Region&#8221; elements, but
no Content Region. Are we going to change that? The elements above are defined
at the same level as Scan Region, not as subelements of a Mark Region element (otherwise
known as the Finished-Page Image). Also, the Mark Region &nbsp;can be shifted,
but unlike Scan Regions, its size appears determined by the PDL, not the Job Ticket.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Is the
Copy (Service) Region the same as the Scan Region?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Just a few
questions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> William Wagner
[mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mfd@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Print (mark) content Region definition<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>The attributes I see in the Production Printing Attributes
document that appear to correspond to content region definition are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>x-image-position <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>x-image-shift <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>y-image-shift <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>y-image-position <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>But I have difficulty correlating these to what one might
normally identify as:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>Content Region Origin &nbsp;X
Offset<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>Content Region X Dimension<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>Content Region Origin &nbsp;Y
Offset<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'>Content Region Y Dimension<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Could someone with a Production Attributes understanding
enlighten me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

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