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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nancy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Granted that considering what operations are applicable and mandatory
or optional for each service may be tedious, I believe it is necessary to do
this consideration in a service by service basis. To dictate that an operation
be mandatory before considering the detailed nature of a service is sure to necessitate
even more revisions to the “Overall” document (and these revision
activities are becoming very stale). For example, I don’t think it was
clear that no “Document” operations were applicable to the Copy Service
until the specifics of that service were investigated. So I suggest that labeling
operations as mandatory and optional in the “overall” document does
not alleviate to need to consider all operations as they apply to each specific
service.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What this labeling in the “overall” document would suggest
is a dictate that the individual services MUST include certain operations
and make them mandatory, BUT only if they are applicable. To my mind, this is
not only ambiguous, it gives the “Overall” document a preemptive role
that I, for one, never intended nor think is appropriate. I intended the “Overall”
document to collect those things that are common to multiple services, both as
a convenience and to ensure consistent definitions of the same things. I did
not intend the “Overall” document to dictate what is and what is not
applicable to the individual Services; this is best done in the individual Service
specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, understanding that there are other viewpoints on this, I
suggest that this issue which you have brought up be resolved by the MFD group
as a whole at the meeting next week. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your comments,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
Nancy.Chen@okidata.com [mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Wagner<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mfd@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [MFD] Re: MFD Service Operations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Bill,</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks for
pointing out the .doc version. Sorry for my oversight.</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Since we are at
the discussion of the "Service Operations", why not make sure we get
all required vs. optional discussed right when we are at there? I hate to go
through the same list over and over again. A subject does get "stale"
after we have to stare at it several times.</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If you have
trouble with some of them are required in Overall semantics, but may not be
applicable to some of the services, I think they should be so stated in the
Overall spec, mark them in Bold and Italic font to distinguish them from the
rest, and also documented in the applicable services.</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I would really
appreciate if we could make good progress this way.</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-Nancy</span> <br>
<br>
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Wagner" <wamwagner@comcast.net></span></b><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>03/30/2010
07:35 PM</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>RE:
[MFD] Re: MFD Service Operations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nancy,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks you for your prompt comments.</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>As you may notice in my original message, I
have posted both *pdf and *.doc</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>versions.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I suggest the question of whether operations
are to listed a required or</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>optional should be in the Overall document or in the specific service</tt><br>
<tt>documents be an item of discussion. I was troubled by the position that we</tt><br>
<tt>state them as required in the Overall document with the understanding that</tt><br>
<tt>they may not be applicable to a given service.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill Wagner</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: Nancy.Chen@okidata.com
[mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com]</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:28 PM</tt><br>
<tt>To: Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</tt><br>
<tt>Cc: mfd@pwg.org; mfd-bounces@pwg.org; William Wagner</tt><br>
<tt>Subject: Re: [MFD] Re: MFD Service Operations</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Also please provide microsoft
"WORD" version for people to annotate their</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>comments. Not all of us have the luxury of owning a copy of writable PDF</tt><br>
<tt>editor.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>-Nancy</tt><br>
</span><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>Sent by: mfd-bounces@pwg.org</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>03/30/2010 07:23 PM</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"William Wagner"
<wamwagner@comcast.net></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cc</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>mfd@pwg.org</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>[MFD] Re: MFD Service Operations</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Bill,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks again for the updated "MFD
Service Operations" with clearly marked</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>issues for discussion in the upcoming meeting.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In many of our previous MFD meetings, we
worked hard to come to basic</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>consensus on whether a service operation is "REQUIRED", or
"OPTIONAL". I</tt><br>
<tt>think the document should reflect these working group status, as a good</tt><br>
<tt>basis for further discussions. It's not a final draft of course,
anybody</tt><br>
<tt>can still challenge what have agreed so far.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I recommend that you follow the convention
set in the Copy Service</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>specification which is in WG Last Call, by "bold" face the
"REQUIRED"</tt><br>
<tt>operations and input/output parameters to reflect the current working</tt><br>
<tt>group progresses. The rest are OPTIONAL.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Again, thanks for helping us making
progress,</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-Nancy</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"William Wagner"
<wamwagner@comcast.net></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>03/30/2010 06:30 PM</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><mfd@pwg.org></tt><br>
<tt>cc</tt><br>
<tt><Nancy.Chen@okidata.com></tt><br>
<tt>Subject</tt><br>
<tt>MFD Service Operations</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In response to Nancy's comments , I have
reposted the Service Operations</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>text in</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/white/ServiceOperations-20100330.pdf
and</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/white/ServiceOperations-20100330.doc</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>There are NO changes to the text content.</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>One reason why this has been extracted as a
separate "white" paper</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>document</tt><br>
<tt>rather than included as part of the "overall" spec is to allow</tt><br>
<tt>concentration</tt><br>
<tt>on this particular and very important aspect of the MFD services. I have</tt><br>
<tt>modified this section extensively, and have approached it as a new</tt><br>
<tt>document</tt><br>
<tt>because the changes have been continuing for a long period as the various</tt><br>
<tt>services are considered and as IPP has added operations. Therefore,
there</tt><br>
<tt>is a definite possibility of errors in continuity and inter-relation.</tt><br>
<tt>Although I appreciate the added effort necessary, I therefore also request</tt><br>
<tt>that this section be reviewed in its entirety, not just for what the</tt><br>
<tt>changes</tt><br>
<tt>are.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Except for one brand new table, I have not
flagged changes. As I have</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>indicated previously, I believe that in enough cases the general MFD</tt><br>
<tt>operation must be considered differently from the IPP precursor operation</tt><br>
<tt>because of the Print specific nature of the IPP Precursor. I believe that</tt><br>
<tt>the MFD document should be able to stand on its own in this area.</tt><br>
<tt>Considering the general nature of the MFD Overall document, it is not</tt><br>
<tt>obvious how detailed the operation description can or needs to be, and</tt><br>
<tt>that</tt><br>
<tt>is a subject for discussion.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>In some cases where I am unsure of the
information I have been given, I</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>have</tt><br>
<tt>put in remarks. I have formatted the PDF with balloon remarks so that the</tt><br>
<tt>remarks are visible ( with apologies to those who can't abide balloons).</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Red highlights are mainly markers for me
noting that cross references are</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>bad as a result of extracting this from the larger document.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Other highlights have been removed.</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I appreciate constructive comments and
anticipate that this section will</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>be</tt><br>
<tt>reviewed with problems resolved at the 6 April face-to-face meeting.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill Wagner</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: Nancy.Chen@okidata.com [mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com]</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:24 AM</tt><br>
<tt>To: William Wagner</tt><br>
<tt>Cc: mfd@pwg.org; mfd-bounces@pwg.org</tt><br>
<tt>Subject: Re: [MFD] Today's MWD conference call</tt><br>
</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks for your document update. I think
many people are like me are</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>scratching their heads guessing and trying to understand the meaning of</tt><br>
<tt>various color markings in your document. Would you please do the</tt><br>
<tt>followings</tt><br>
<tt>so that WG members can easily review and provide comments for your latest</tt><br>
<tt>update to "Service Operations"?</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1. Please provide a "WORD" version
so that we can make comments right in</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>the</tt><br>
<tt>document.</tt><br>
</span><br>
<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>2. Please explain your intent for the
highlights in different colors. I</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>like</tt><br>
<tt>very much what Tom Hasting did for us in his IPP JPS2 draft. There is</tt><br>
<tt>clear</tt><br>
<tt>explanation of the different color highlights at the beginning of the</tt><br>
<tt>document before we proceed to read. Could you follow what Tom is doing for</tt><br>
<tt>IPP Working Group, so that we can provide very good review for your</tt><br>
<tt>document</tt><br>
<tt>without trying to guess what kind of comments you are expecting at those</tt><br>
<tt>markings. Perhaps following Tom's color code would be even better, because</tt><br>
<tt>then we don't have to remember different color codes for
"consensus",</tt><br>
<tt>"issue", "question", "new changes", etc.</tt><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>3. Please provide the text for your notes
that are labeled [W1], [W2],</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>etc.</tt><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thank you for helping us out,</span></tt><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-Nancy</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></tt><span
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<tt>Nancy Chen</tt><br>
<tt>Principal Engineer</tt><br>
<tt>Solutions and Technology</tt><br>
<tt>Oki Data</tt><br>
<tt>2000 Bishops Gate Blvd.</tt><br>
<tt>Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054</tt><br>
<tt>Phone: (856)222-7006</tt><br>
<tt>Email: Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</tt><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"William Wagner"
<wamwagner@comcast.net></span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>03/25/2010 12:07 PM</span></tt><span
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><mfd@pwg.org></span></tt><span
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject</span></tt><span style='font-size:
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>[MFD] Today's MWD conference call</span></tt><span
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I noticed that a table was missing in the
"operations" section, so I added</span></tt><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt>it in the attached. No other significant changes. I am looking forward to</tt><br>
<tt>a</tt><br>
<tt>constructive conversation this afternoon.</tt><br>
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></tt><span style='font-size:
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<tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Bill Wagner</span></tt><span
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