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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree that secure retrieval of printed FaxIn document via PIN is not a basic FaxIn use case.&nbsp; I prefer to defer this type of workflow to a document specifically on MFD workflows.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mfd-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> mfd@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [MFD] Why FaxIn should NOT add the PrintService attributes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, that&nbsp; seems consistent with what we have been doing. I would suggest that this is a case where a scenario narrative would be useful. If </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>secure retrieval of printed FaxIn document via PIN is a desired basic FaxIn use case (and I am not sure that it is), the components and steps necessary to achieve it should be outlined. Conceivably, if there are more of this sort of multiple-service application which are not obvious as simple applications of a service but do not require the complexity of a workflow solution, perhaps they could be addressed in a separate MFD document?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill W.<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> William Wagner; Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> Zehler, Peter; Nancy.Chen@okidata.com; mfd@pwg.org; mfd-bounces@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MFD] Why FaxIn should NOT add the PrintService attributes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, <br><br>For PIN printing, the destination of the FaxIn must be an electronic <br>document or a user's electronic mailbox under access control.<br><br>As a *separate* job, the end user has to walk up and start<br>a secure print job.&nbsp; There is no support for *any* DestinationURI<br>in any PWG MFD service to have a job ticket or other metadata<br>associated with it.<br><br>Fancy printing is NOT the use case of classic fax - just best<br>effort with the local PrintService's default job ticket is fine.<br><br>Real workflow is intentionally out-of-scope in PWG Semantic Model<br>(at least until SM/3.0 starts up as a project).<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG<br>Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank"><span style='color:#6600CC'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto:<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Christmas through April:<br>&nbsp; 579 Park Place&nbsp; Saline, MI&nbsp; 48176<br>&nbsp; 734-944-0094<br>May to Christmas:<br>&nbsp; PO Box 221&nbsp; Grand Marais, MI 49839<br>&nbsp; 906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:43 PM, William Wagner &lt;<a href="mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I thought that the available job ticket just related to FaxIn processing (including the destination). The default job ticket for the destination printer would define print processing. I don&#8217;t recall that we had available job ticket &nbsp;capability for printers (do we?). At any rate, the path for communication the PIN code to the printer (and the intended recipient) is not clear.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zehler, Peter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com" target="_blank">Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</a>; Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [MFD] Why FaxIn should NOT add the PrintService attributes</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This can be accomplished via the AvailableJobTicket, its FaxInMetrics and FaxInJobTicket, and a properly configured Printer pointed to by DestinationUri.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Xerox Research Center Webster<br>Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Voice: <a href="tel:%28585%29%20265-8755" target="_blank">(585) 265-8755</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>FAX: <a href="tel:%28585%29%20265-7441" target="_blank">(585) 265-7441</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com" target="_blank">Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:Nancy.Chen@okidata.com" target="_blank">Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> Ira McDonald; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a>; Zehler, Peter<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MFD] Why FaxIn should NOT add the PrintService attributes</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>How can secure retrieval of printed FaxIn document via PIN be supported this way? &nbsp;I remember somebody mentioned before in one of our meetings that this feature is desired. &nbsp;Just won't be supported?</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-Nancy</span> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="40%" valign=top style='width:40.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Ira McDonald &lt;<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></b><span style='font-size:7.5pt'> </span><br><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Sent by: <a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>08/10/2011 11:57 AM</span> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="59%" valign=top style='width:59.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>To</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>&quot;Zehler, Peter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt;, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>cc</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Subject</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>[MFD] Why FaxIn should NOT add the PrintService attributes</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td><td valign=top style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Pete,</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Originally, we had some boolean to say &quot;and by the way print&quot;</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>for FaxIn (and EmailIn, presumably) - no longer in the schema.</tt><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Then we decided instead to tread print as just another destination.</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And treating it that way let's the hardcopy for the FaxIn document</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>happen easily off-box (e.g., on a printer nearer the user).</tt><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I strongly favor no extra privilege/details for the print destination of</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>FaxIn - just a URI that points to some PrintService that prints with</tt><br><tt>the configured defaults.</tt><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Otherwise FaxIn-to-Print becomes more of a true compound</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>service - very undesirable.</tt><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>WDYT?</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br></span><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cheers,</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>- Ira</tt><br></span><br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG</tt><br><tt>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG</tt><br><tt>Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG</tt><br><tt>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB</tt><br><tt>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc</tt><br><tt><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a></tt><br><tt><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a></tt><br><tt><a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a></tt><br><tt>Christmas through April:</tt></span> <br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>579 Park Place &nbsp;Saline, MI &nbsp;48176</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt><a href="tel:734-944-0094" target="_blank">734-944-0094</a></tt></span> <br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>May to Christmas:</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>PO Box 221 &nbsp;Grand Marais, MI 49839</tt><br><tt><a href="tel:906-494-2434" target="_blank">906-494-2434</a></tt></span> <br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>--</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>This message has been scanned for viruses and</tt><br><tt>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is</tt><br><tt>believed to be clean.</tt><br></span><br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>mfd mailing list</tt><br><tt><a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a></tt><br><tt><a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/mfd" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/mfd</a></tt></span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/" target="_blank"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br>believed to be clean. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br>believed to be clean. <o:p></o:p></p></div><br />-- 
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