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Hi Randy,<br><br>My two cents.<br><br>We *always* transform one or more documents into<br>some different one or more documents.<br><br>So - for everything *but* natural language transforms,<br>we have to keep using the IPP and PWG SM universal<br>
choice of document-format as IANA MIME type.<br><br>For the particular named transform(s) for natural<br>language, script, transliteration, etc., we probably<br>need new first-class properties that strictly conform<br>to the IETF LTRU specs (effectively input and output<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Randy Turner <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rturner@amalfisystems.com">rturner@amalfisystems.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yeah, I was about to reply that I&#39;ve never seen a mime tag specifying natural language...</div><div><br></div><div>This was my only issue with the current transform draft - we may want to treat &quot;what&quot; is being transformed as a higher layer abstraction, removing any concrete mappings</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>R.<br><br><br></div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi,<br><br>This needs some major thought and discussion.<br><br>The current IETF standards around language tags<br>allow description of script and many other dimensions<br>
besides &quot;natural language&quot; (US English).<br>
<br>I&#39;m not sure of the standardization status of language<br>tags on MIME types, but the PWG *definitely* should<br>NOT be inventing this home brew.<br><br>I&#39;d rather use first class attributes for complex language,<br>

script, transliteration, etc. transformations.<br><br>We need advice here from the IETF LTRU (Language<br>Tag Registry Update) WG chairs and editors.<br><br>There IS work-in-progress in IETF LTRU WG for <br>language tag translation-request extensions.<br>

<br>MIME Types proper should be reserved for document<br>formats, NOT for document metadata (like language<br>tags).<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br><br clear="all">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Sweet <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Randy,<div><br></div><div>MIME media types can include parameters; we&#39;d just need to extend the current definitions of the types we care about to include a &quot;language&quot; parameter.</div>

<div><br></div><div><div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Randy Turner wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>How would I specify I wanted a document transformed from UK English to French using Mime types ?<br>

<br><br></div><div><br>On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:52 AM, &quot;Zehler, Peter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">

<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Randy,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">The rationale for these ops is to enumerate the possible &quot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; formats for transformations.  To resolve the &quot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; mapping issue one side of the mapping is fixed based on the op.  The formats are defined as Mime types reusing the definition from print and scan.  I am unaware of any constraints as to what a “format” can be since the Mime value is qualified.  The DocumentFormatWKV simple type (PwgWellKnownValues.xsd) has some values listed.  I expect the list to be expanded during the Transform Service discussions.  The “MimeExtensionPattern” permits any valid Mime value to be used as well.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal">Pete<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Randy Turner [mailto:<a href="mailto:rturner@amalfisystems.com" target="_blank">rturner@amalfisystems.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 19, 2012 9:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Pete<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the &quot;ListInputFormat/ListOutputFormat&quot; operations in the transform service definition...is the rationale for these ops to enumerate the possible &quot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; formats for transformations?<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If so, where are these formats defined? And are any constraints as to what a &quot;format&quot; can be?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">

<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Randy<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Mar 19, 2012, at 4:11 AM, &quot;Zehler, Peter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Agenda:</span><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">1. Identify Minute Taker</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&lt;<a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-mfd-minutes-20120308.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1f497d">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-mfd-minutes-20120308.pdf</span></a>&gt; </span><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">4. Compile list of named transforms</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">5. Discuss recent changes to PWG Schema for named transforms</span><u></u><u></u></p>

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