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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Mike,<br><br></div>Or &quot;Add&lt;service&gt;ScannedDocument&quot;?  &quot;Hardcopy&quot; is causing some<br></div>confusion, it seems.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div>
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Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Michael Sweet <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org" target="_blank">msweet@msweet.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Ira,<div><br></div><div>IIRC, all of the SM operations use &lt;service&gt; in their names, currently Add&lt;service&gt;HardcopyDocument, Send&lt;service&gt;Document, and Send&lt;service&gt;Uri.</div>
<div><div><div><br></div><div>Using Add&lt;service&gt;ScanDocument might get confusing.  Add&lt;service&gt;DocumentFromScanner? Or Send&lt;service&gt;DocumentFromScanner to retain consistency with the other Send operations?</div>
<div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 2013-08-07, at 11:32 AM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Paul,<br><br></div>No - I object to AddHardcopyDocument.  The only NEW kind of document<br></div>(other than w/ data by value or w/ data by reference) is a scanned document.<br>

</div>No other service would ever be infixed in your proposal.<br><br></div>I much prefer AddScanDocument as parallel to [Add/Send]Document.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Paul Tykodi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hi Ira,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Following your logic, should we consider maintaining AddHardcopyDocument as the top level in the SM tree and then expand the model with Add&lt;RelevantPWGDefinedService&gt;Document at the next level in the model for each service that can support hardcopy document input?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">/Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">--</span><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Paul Tykodi<br>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> <a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:IPP@pwg.org" target="_blank">IPP@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a>; Michael Sweet<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MFD] [IPP] Don&#39;t redefine Hardcopy Document<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Hi,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Which I think implies that I&#39;d like to rename AddHardcopyDocument to<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">AddScanDocument.<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">- Ira<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG<br>

Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3333ff">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><br>

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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Ira McDonald &lt;<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">At the risk of adding confusion...<br><br>We speak of submitting Jobs with document data by reference (URI)<br>

or by value (attached).  <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Why not just add &quot;by scan (local scanner)&quot;.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">

What I don&#39;t like about the term &quot;Hardcopy Document Object&quot; is that <br>the word Scan or Scanner isn&#39;t there, but this is always the source.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">- Ira<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">PS - I dislike putting titlecase prefixes on Document Object or Job<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">

Object - it muddies readability.<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>

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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Zehler, Peter &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

</div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Mike,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Well, I guess I’ll be quiet now except to say it would be a good time to describe the attributes and constraints on all three types of Documents. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">J</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Pete</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>

<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><br>

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</div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael Sweet [mailto:<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org" target="_blank">msweet@msweet.org</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:14 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:IPP@pwg.org" target="_blank">IPP@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org" target="_blank">mfd@pwg.org</a><br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Don&#39;t redefine Hardcopy Document<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pete,<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I guess we are in violent agreement.  One comment below.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div>

<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2013-08-06, at 12:54 PM, &quot;Zehler, Peter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Andale Mono&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">..</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">

This is the difference between a Hardcopy Document and a Hardcopy Document /Object/. We need to define the latter and not the former.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">&lt;PZ&gt;I see no subclasses of Documents in the PWG Semantic Model or IPP.  Whether a document is added to a Job by value, by reference, or by reference to the output of the scanner subunit, it is still just a Document object. </span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">I am not suggesting a subclass of document.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We already categorize documents as &quot;referenced&quot; and &quot;with attached document data&quot;. For hardcopy documents we would have a Document Object containing description attributes/elements that identify the source and properties of the hardcopy document.<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I chose to call it a &quot;Hardcopy Document Object&quot; as opposed to a &quot;Document Object with Associated Hardcopy Document Input Elements&quot;.  How the digital representation is stored and when exactly the document is scanned are, IMHO, implementation specific.<u></u><u></u></p>

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