IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery methodby July 7

IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery methodby July 7

IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery methodby July 7

McDonald, Ira imcdonald at sharplabs.com
Wed Jun 28 23:26:39 EDT 2000


Hi Hugo and Carl-Uno,

Boy I can feel this quicksand moving already...

So there are at least three separate things we really need to
rank/decide:

1)  [Carl-Uno's current polling objective]
    IPP/1.x Notifications - which method(s) are required for
    all implementations, so that the IESG can have a conformance
    testing report when we want to move IPP (and _all_ of its
    IETF spec options) to IETF Draft Standard status next year?

2)  IETF specs - which method(s) will we finish up and issue?
    - the spec editors want to know this

3)  Bakeoff - which method(s) will be tested in October?
    - Pete Zehler wants to know this and so does Paul Moore

Comments?

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugo Parra [mailto:HPARRA at novell.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:59 PM
To: ipp at pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery
methodby July 7


I see *your* point.  Except my vote was going to be ...

   a) over email - 1
   b) over IPP 
   c) over INDP - 1
   d) over SNMP
   e) don't mandate any - 2

But, if that's not an option then I'll settle for ...

   a) over email - 0 (strongly recommend)
   b) over IPP - 0
   c) over INDP - 0 (strongly recommend)
   d) over SNMP - 0
 
-Hugo

>>> "Carl-Uno Manros" <carl at manros.com> 06/28/00 08:28PM >>>
Hugo,

I see your point, but I don't want to change the rules again. What I intend
to do is to count the 0000-ids as a separate category; if we end up having
more people in that group than in the one that has allocated their 4 points,
we have a clear answer. Nobody's voice will go unheard...

Carl-Uno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hugo Parra [mailto:HPARRA at novell.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:15 PM
> To: cmanros at cp10.es.xerox.com; carl at manros.com; pmoore at peerless.com 
> Cc: ipp at pwg.org 
> Subject: RE: IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery
> methodby July 7
>
>
> Shouldn't the options be ...
>
>   a) over email
>   b) over IPP (a.k.a. intelligent polling)
>   c) over INDP (new IPP-like protocol, but works in the opposite
> direction)
>   d) over SNMP
>   e) don't mandate any
>
> Otherwise those who give each entry a weight of zero, basically
> through away their vote.
>
> -Hugo
>
> >>> "Carl-Uno Manros" <carl at manros.com> 06/28/00 07:52PM >>>
> Oh no, I managed to not be completely clear after all.
>
> The weighting is for the IETF standards texts.
>
> What gets tested in the bake-off is the decision of the PWG,
> which hosts the
> bake-off event, and has nothing to do with this exercise.
>
> Carl-Uno
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ipp at pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp at pwg.org]On Behalf Of
> > pmoore at peerless.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 5:47 PM
> > To: Manros, Carl-Uno B
> > Cc: IETF-IPP
> > Subject: Re: IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery method
> > by July 7
> >
> >
> > If this is a vote for making things mandatory :-
> >
> > 0 a) over email
> > 0 b) over IPP (a.k.a. intelligent polling)
> > 0 c) over INDP (new IPP-like protocol, but works in the opposite
> > direction)
> > 0 d) over SNMP
> >
> > I dont think mandating is useful
> >
> > If this is a vote for 'what specs do we need to agree and bakeoff ASAP'
> >
> > 2 a) over email
> > 0 b) over IPP (a.k.a. intelligent polling)
> > 2 c) over INDP (new IPP-like protocol, but works in the opposite
> > direction)
> > 0 d) over SNMP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Manros, Carl-Uno B" <cmanros at cp10.es.xerox.com> on 06/28/2000
> 05:17:16 PM
> >
> > To:   IETF-IPP <ipp at pwg.org>
> > cc:    (bcc: Paul Moore/AUCO/US)
> >
> > Subject:  IPP> ADM - Pick your favorite notification delivery
> > method by July 7
> >
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > The IETF does not do voting, but we can ask people to allocate
> weights to
> > their favorite method. From the result I hope to get a picture of
> > whether we
> > have a clear "rough consensus" favorite, or if we should just
> avoid trying
> > to make any particular notification delivery method the "required" or
> > "mandated" one.
> >
> > So let the weightings begin!
> >
> > Here are the rules:
> >
> > 1) We have 4 candidate notification delivery methods, briefly
> > described as:
> >
> >  a) over email
> >  b) over IPP (a.k.a. intelligent polling)
> >  c) over INDP (new IPP-like protocol, but works in the opposite
> direction)
> >  d) over SNMP
> >
> > 2) You have a total of maximum 4 weight points to allocate between the 4
> > methods above.
> >
> >  a) You can put all your 4 points on one favorite and leave the
> > other three
> > with 0 each. (the 'all eggs in one basket' option)
> >  b) If you don't really mind which method, you can give 1 point
> to each of
> > the methods. (the 'chicken' option)
> >  c) You can allocate your 4 points somewhere between the two
> extreme cases
> > above. (the 'diplomatic' options)
> >  d) If you don't want to make ANY of the methods "required" or
> "mandated",
> > put a 0 for ALL four methods! (the 'don't even try it' option)
> >
> > If you still haven't understood the rules, please read the above
> > text 3 more
> > times, before you make a fool of yourself....., or of me for not
> > being clear
> > enough ;-{
> >
> > So please collect your wits and send your weights to the IPP DL no later
> > than next Friday July 7!
> >
> > Have fun.... and remember that if you do not participate you cannot win!
> >
> > Carl-Uno
> >
> > Carl-Uno Manros
> > Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
> > 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
> > Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
> > Email: manros at cp10.es.xerox.com 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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