IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> notification methods

Re: IPP> notification methods

From: Jay Martin (jkm@underscore.com)
Date: Fri Aug 11 2000 - 12:08:25 EDT

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    Peter,

    Thanks so much for pointing this out to everyone. I've known this
    all along, but was afraid to respond with this kind of explanation
    since my fire-resistant "flame suit" is currently at the cleaners. ;-)

            ...jay

    "Zehler, Peter" wrote:
    >
    > Carl,
    >
    > I don't know who your ISP is but mine has no control over a server running
    > on my host. They do control the length of my IP lease. In my case the
    > lease lasts hours. Certainly enough time for a notification. (Not enough
    > time to host a business...they charge for that.)
    >
    > I can have a fixed IP address and I can have multiple IP addresses if I so
    > desire. The use of INDP assumes programmatic interactions in near real
    > time. If I build an application that relies on this it may well impose
    > requirements on system/network configurations as well as influence the
    > components I buy.
    >
    > I see a real need for programmatic as well as end user notification. We
    > should be specifying and building enabling technologies. Our role should be
    > enable policy not to enforce it.
    >
    > Pete
    >
    > Peter Zehler
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    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: kugler@us.ibm.com [mailto:kugler@us.ibm.com]
    > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:25 PM
    > To: jkm@underscore.com
    > Cc: ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: Re: IPP> notification methods
    >
    > It's equally impractical in the road warrior scenario. Most ISPs won't let
    > you run a server unless you pay them for the privilege.
    >
    > SOHO is another problem. Windows Connection Sharing and other network
    > address translation schemes are often used so that multiple hosts on a LAN
    > can all reach the Internet through a single IP address allocated by the
    > ISP. Of course, ISPs will be happy to sell you more addresses, for a
    > monthly fee...
    >
    > So, it's impractical for enterprise, SOHO, and dial-up. What does that
    > leave? Possibly some university networks (and Lexmark ;-) ); I can't
    > think of much else.
    >
    > -Carl
    >
    > Jay Martin <jkm@underscore.com> on 08/04/2000 02:53:08 PM
    >
    > Please respond to jkm@underscore.com
    >
    > To: Carl Kugler/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS
    > cc: ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: Re: IPP> notification methods
    >
    > Carl,
    >
    > Ah, now you've caught my attention... ;-)
    >
    > > Me and 99% of other end users in the real world. INDP over the Internet
    > is
    > > not impossible, just impractical.
    >
    > We must assume your term "end users in the real world" refers to
    > enterprise environments, right?
    >
    > That is, if the "real world" implies a usage scenario describing a
    > "Road Warrior sitting in her hotel room wanting to print a document
    > at a local copy shop", then in your opinion can INDP satisfy those
    > 99% of "real world" users? Or is it equally impractical as in the
    > enterprise environment?
    >
    > ...jay



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