IPP Mail Archive: RE: IPP> NOT - Last word for now on Notifi

IPP Mail Archive: RE: IPP> NOT - Last word for now on Notifi

RE: IPP> NOT - Last word for now on Notification delivery methods

From: Manros, Carl-Uno B (cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Date: Thu Aug 31 2000 - 13:44:51 EDT

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    Ira,

    I am sorry, but what became clear in the discussion yesterday, was even Ron
    didn't particularly like what we ended up with and stated that he would not
    plan to implement it.

    So, is there any interest at Sharp or anybody else to actually implement
    something like this? Right now we don't seem to have enough support to make
    the solution into a standard, independently of how good the technical
    solution is.

    Carl-Uno

    Carl-Uno Manros
    Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
    701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
    Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
    Email: manros@cp10.es.xerox.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:06 AM
    To: 'Manros, Carl-Uno B'; IETF-IPP
    Subject: RE: IPP> NOT - Last word for now on Notification delivery
    methods

    Hi Carl-Uno,

    This is an interesting Catch-22.

    The SNMP notifications for IPP was developed in the IPP
    WG at the suggestion of the Job Monitoring MIB WG chair
    (Ron Bergman), because it has ALWAYS been a requirement
    for wider adoption of the Job Monitoring MIB to have
    Job traps. Guess I wasted my time doing it under the
    wrong auspices.

    Cheers,
    - Ira McDonald

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Manros, Carl-Uno B [mailto:cmanros@cp10.es.xerox.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:11 PM
    To: IETF-IPP
    Subject: IPP> NOT - Last word for now on Notification delivery methods

    All,

    During today's IPP phone conference we went over the current state of the 4
    notification drafts one more time.

    Here is the outcome of that discussion. If you disapprove, please speak up
    right away, otherwise this is the action plan for the IPP WG I will execute
    on within a week:

    1) mailto: Not enough support for the addition of machine readable
    notification. We will hence return to the text that was in the IPP WG Last
    Call and send it to the IESG for approval as Proposed Standard RFC.

    2) indp: No conflict, we will send the draft to the IESG for approval as
    Proposed Standard RFC.

    3) snmp: Several people have questioned whether there is enough support to
    progress this as an IPP WG document. Will be put on ice, and might just die.

    4) ippget: Although the current text seems OK, we have had suggestions that
    it should be enhanced for anybody to be interested enough to implement it.
    Will be put on ice, and either we get further proposals, and agreements on
    how to fix it, or it might just die.

    This will focus implementers' attention on the two main delivery methods
    that we actually seem to have agreements about, and leave the other two at
    the roadside for the time being, maybe forever. For individual contributors
    to the "dropped" methods, there is always the option to bring the drafts in
    to the IESG as personal drafts for progression as "Informational" or
    possibly 'Experimental'. This would only make sense if there was an
    implementation behind it.

    The other three notification documents that have already been out for IPP WG
    Last Call, I also deem to be ready to send to the IESG, after a few
    editorial corrections that we spotted during the Last Call period.

    It's about time for the IPP WG to get some notification documents out the
    door and published as RFCs, we have dragged our feet on this too long
    already.

    Carl-Uno

    Carl-Uno Manros
    Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
    701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
    Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
    Email: manros@cp10.es.xerox.com



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