IPP Mail Archive: RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard,

IPP Mail Archive: RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard,

RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

From: Hastings, Tom N (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Date: Mon Apr 02 2001 - 13:07:05 EDT

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    Ron,

    The UPnP IMAGING WG is meeting in Portland OR, the first two days of the PWG
    meeting, April 23-24. I think we agreed at the last UPnP telecon (March
    22), to vote at that meeting whether or not to change the UPnP Template to
    refer to the PWG Media standard for the MediaType and MediaSize values. If
    we do have such a vote, it would be good to know what the durable URL (PWG
    standard number assigned) might be for the PWG standard.

    On the other hand, the UPnP Basic Template will be undergoing other votes
    and changes, so maybe it isn't so crucial to have the PWG standard number by
    the April 23 meeting, but it would help give the UPnP IMAGING WG confidence
    that there would be a standard that the UPnP BasicPrint Template could point
    to.

    Shivaun,
    The UPnP minutes didn't reflect such a vote about referring to the PWG
    standard for the MediaType and MediaSize values. In fact the minutes don't
    mention MediaType or MediaSize at all. What did we agree to at the Last
    UPnP telecon? I had thought that we were going to vote on whether or not to
    refer to the PWG standard for additional values and use the syntax from the
    PWG standard which is slightly different from the current UPnP Template
    (scaled units with no decimal fraction, use the "na-" prefix to distinguish
    inches from mm, and use "." to separate the size name from the dimensions).
    These seem important enough changes to warrant a vote (and an announcement
    of intent to vote at least a week before the meeting).

    Don and Ron,
    A second question is when do we actually assign the number? It is at the
    start of the PWG Last Call, or after it completes the PWG Last Call? I
    thought that it was at the start of the PWG Last Call, in which case we
    could put the number on the Media standard next week when we start PWG last
    Call. Right?

    I was thinking that for the PWG Last Call (before final approval), the
    document would say something like:

    When this document is approved by the PWG as a PWG Draft standard following
    the procedures in: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/pwg-process.pdf it
    will become available at:
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/standards/pwg5100.n.pdf, .doc, .rtf

    where "n" is the number that we assign at the start of the PWG Last Call.

    Thanks,
    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com]
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 16:53
    To: 'Hastings, Tom N'; Bergman, Ron; RonBergman@aol.com
    Cc: pwg@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

    Thanks Tom!

    I believe I have all the other changes included and I plan to do a
    final check this weekend. So I'll hold off until these arrive so
    we can have a close to final draft next week.

    Regarding an ISTO-PWG assigned number, Don told me we have to wait
    until Working Group last call before it can be assigned. If we
    start the last call next week the earliest we would have a number
    is May 2nd. Why again must the UpNP have a number before the next
    meeting?

            Ron

    Here is the response from Don.
    >>
    >> Ron:
    >>
    >> We can assign this a number any time but....
    >>
    >> 1) Since this is an output of the IPP working group, it needs a 2 week
    working
    >> group last call, then...
    >>
    >> 2) A PWG membership vote (another 2 weeks)
    >>
    >> 3) Then it will be posted to the PWG standards page probably as
    >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/standards/pwg5100.5.pdf
    >>
    >> **********************************************
    >> * Don Wright don@lexmark.com *
    >> * Chair, Printer Working Group *
    >> * Chair, IEEE MSC *

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com]
    Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:06 PM
    To: Bergman, Ron; Hastings, Tom N; RonBergman@aol.com
    Cc: pwg@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

    I just ordered a copy from the ASME. It should be here next Tuesday.

    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com]
    Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 07:38
    To: 'Hastings, Tom N'; RonBergman@aol.com
    Cc: pwg@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

    Tom,

    I do not have access to ASME-Y14.1M, so I am unable to do this
    research. Do you have a copy?

            Ron

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:14 PM
    To: RonBergman@aol.com
    Cc: pwg@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

    IPP (RFC2911) has a number of media names that include engineering sizes
    taken from [ASME-Y14.1M]. For some reason we only included them as media
    names (e.g., iso-a1x3-transparent), and not as media size names (e.g.,
    iso-a1x3) in IPP. These size names are:

    iso-a1x3, iso-a1x4
    iso-a2x3, iso-a2x4, iso-a2x5
    iso-a3x3, iso-a3x4, iso-a3x5, iso-a3x6, iso-a3x7
    iso-a4x3, iso-a4x4, iso-a4x5, iso-a4x6, iso-a4x7, iso-a4x8, iso-a4x9

    Should we add them?

    Someone should look at [ASME-Y14.1M] and get the proper length dimensions
    (which aren't in IPP), to go with the width dimensions which are in IPP.

    Thanks,
    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: RonBergman@aol.com [mailto:RonBergman@aol.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:48
    To: pwg@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: PWG> Media Names Standard, Version D0.5 Available

    The latest version is now available at:

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/media-sizes/pwg-media-05.pdf

    The major change is the merging of the envelope sizes
    with the other tables and the separation of the media
    type with the size. In addition I have added the
    definition of a format for custom media types and color
    per a request from Norbert.

    There are still two open issues that I am waiting for
    clarification from Tom.

    1. Tom added a reference [REG] in section 3, but no
    corresponding entry in the References section.

    2. The ABNF for the size name in section 5.1 may be
    incorrect. I am not an ABNF expert, but I believe that
        | "-" | "-" ) should be simply | "-" )

    I will try to attend the IPP teleconference tomorrow
    to discuss any other issues concerning this document.

         Ron Bergman
         Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions



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