IPP Mail Archive: IPP> Proposed deletions and additions to M

IPP Mail Archive: IPP> Proposed deletions and additions to M

IPP> Proposed deletions and additions to Media Types for Media Std

From: Hastings, Tom N (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Date: Wed May 16 2001 - 17:52:49 EDT

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    Ira, Bob, Norbert, and I met at today's Media Std telecon. We propose the
    following deletions, additions, and clarifications to the Media Type
    specification from the D8 Draft, based on the IBM proposed Media Types and
    Melinda Grant's contribution.

         ******Please respond to the mailing list if you disagree******

    Ron and I want to publish a last draft that has the final size ABNF and
    Media Types this week.

    Summary (see detailed proposed text below):

    1. Taking into account Melinda's suggested requirements and proposed
    deletions (see below), we agree that we have too many glossies. Based on my
    trip to Office Depot and Staples (see below), there were no papers that
    weren't adequately described by the reduced list. So delete:

       photographic-high-gloss
       photographic-semi-gloss

    leaving only: photographic, photographic-glossy, photographic-satin,
    photographic-matte, photographic-film

    and indicate the satin is for "satin" or "semi-gloss" coating.

    Indicate that all the photographic are one-sided coating (agreed with what I
    found in the stores - see below).

    2. Add the following types as two-sided coatings:

       stationery-glossy
       stationery-matte

    to the D8 names: stationery, stationery-coated, stationery-inkjet. Clarify
    that these coatings are the same on both sides.

    Do not add stationery-satin, since it didn't appear in the stores.

    3. From the IBM proposal (see below), we felt that the following were
    significant to be included, and the rest could be handled by custom. These
    values map to IPP "media-col" member attributes as indicated:

       stationery-preprinted 6 "media-col.media-pre-printed" =
    'pre-printed'
       stationery-letterhead 6 "media-col.media-pre-printed" =
    'pre-printed'
       stationery-prepunched 7 "media-col.media-hole-count" = n n > 0
       stationery-fine -- for vellum or other high quality paper
       stationery-heavyweight 8 "media-col.media-weight-metric" = n n >
    normal
       stationery-lightweight 8 "media-col.media-weight-metric" = n n <
    normal

    Here are the proposed actual text. Inserted text into D8 text is indicated
    inside []:

    Reference 5 needs some fixing:
    5 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The name in this
    document is derived from a subset of the "media-front-coating" and
    "media-back-coating" member attributes by adding the 'photographic-' prefix
    and 'stationery-' to the IPP keyword values.

    The 6 would be a Ref. like:
    6 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The name in this
    document is derived from the "media-pre-printed" member attribute by adding
    the 'stationery-' prefix to the IPP keyword values.

    The 7 would be a Ref. like:
    7 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The name in this
    document represents values greater than 0 of the IPP "media-hole-count"
    member attribute.

    The 8 would be a Ref. like:
    8 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The name in this
    document represents values that are greater than or less than the "normal"
    integer value of the IPP "media-weight-metric" member attribute.

    stationery
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material [no change]
    1, 3
    stationery-coated
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material with a coating [on both sides]
    of unspecified type

    stationery-inkjet
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material whose coating [on both sides] is
    designed to minimize the spread of liquid inks

    stationery-glossy [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating on
    both sides.
    5
    stationery-matte [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating on
    both sides.
    5
    stationery-preprinted [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that is pre-printed on at least
    one side.
    6
    stationery-letterhead [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that is pre-printed letter head
    on at least one side.
    6
    stationery-prepunched [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that is pre-punched. The number
    of holes is unspecified.
    7
    stationery-fine [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material, such as vellum or other high
    quality paper

    stationery-heavyweight [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that is heavier in weight than
    the 'stationery' type.
    8
    stationery-lightweight [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that is lighter in weight than
    the 'stationery' type.
    8

    photographic
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material to produce photographic quality
    images. The coating is unspecified [and is on one side only].

    photographic-glossy
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating [on
    one side only] to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    [deleted: photographic-high-gloss and photographic-semi-gloss]

    photographic-satin
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "satin" [or
    "semi-gloss" ]coating [on one side only] to produce photographic quality
    images.
    5
    photographic-matte
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating [on
    one side only] to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-film
    Separately cut sheets of film used to produce photographic quality images.
    [no change]

         ******Please respond to the mailing list if you disagree******

    Thanks,
    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hastings, Tom N
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 18:51
    To: 'GRANT,MELINDA (HP-Vancouver,ex1)'; IMAGING@FORUM.UPNP.ORG
    Cc: ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: IPP> Media Types for Media Std

    I think Melinda makes some excellent points about Media Types for our
    telecon. Especially the criteria for adding Media Type names to the
    standard.

    I did my action item and found the following Media Types at Office Depot and
    Staples. Many Printer vendors sell paper: Canon, HP, Epson, Xerox, as well
    as Kodak and Hammermill. There were two big floor to ceiling shelves: one
    labeled photographic and the other labeled inkjet. Staples' paper choices
    weren't quite so extensive, but didn't yield any additional types.

    Based on what I found, I propose:

     a. clarifying that photographic is one-sided
     b. adding two new Media Type (two-side glossy and two-sided matte for
    brochures and flyers)

    I think these clarifications and additions meet Melinda's proposed criteria.
    As another rough criteria, I'm only proposing new types, if more than one
    paper vendor had the type.

    Here are the product names that I found on the photographic case of varying
    weights (pounds and grams per square meter) and thickness (mils), all of the
    photographic papers were for inkjet.

    HP Premium Photo Paper - Glossy
    Kodak Ultima Picture Paper - High Gloss
    Kodak Ultima (Inkjet) - Satin
    Kodak Premium Picture (inkjet) Paper - High Gloss
    Kodak Premium Picture (inkjet) - Satin
    Kodak Picture (inkjet) - Soft Gloss
    Epson Photo Quality Glossy Paper

    I think that they were all one-sided, though I didn't spring for $20.00 to
    find out. The Epson Photo Quality Glossy Paper did have light gray printing
    on the back side, so that the user would use the proper side (I could see
    through the transparent wrapping).

    There were some two-sides coated papers:

    HP Professional Brochure & Flyer Paper - two-sided gloss
    HP Professional Brochure & Flyer Paper - two-sided matte
    HP Photo-quality Inkjet Paper - two-sided matte
    Hammermill Brochure and Sales Flyers - two-sided matte

    Therefore, I suggest the following clarifications:

    1. 'photographic-xxx' types to be one-sided. After all photographs are
    usually put into an album, a picture frame, or on the refrigerator where
    only one side is visible

    2. 'stationery-coated' and 'stationery-inkjet' to be two-sided

    I also think we need to add two new stationery sub-types to get the two
    sided glossy and matte that several vendors have for brochures and flyers:

    stationery-glossy
    stationery-matte

    Here are my suggested new types. Additional words added to existing types
    are indicated in []:

    stationery
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material [no change]
    1, 3
    stationery-coated
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material with a coating [on both sides]
    of unspecified type

    stationery-inkjet
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material whose coating [on both sides] is
    designed to minimize the spread of liquid inks

    stationery-glossy [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating on
    both sides.

    stationery-matte [new]
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating on
    both sides.

    photographic
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material to produce photographic quality
    images. The coating is unspecified [and is on one side only].

    photographic-glossy
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating [on
    one side only] to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-high-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "high-gloss" coating
    [on one side only] to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-semi-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "semi-gloss" coating
    [on one side only] to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-satin
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "satin" coating [on
    one side only] to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-matte
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating [on
    one side only] to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-film
    Separately cut sheets of film used to produce photographic quality images.
    [no change]

    Comments?

    Tom

      
    -----Original Message-----
    From: GRANT,MELINDA (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [mailto:melinda_grant@hp.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 17:28
    To: IMAGING@FORUM.UPNP.ORG
    Cc: ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: IPP> Media Types for Media Std

    I won't be able to participate in the dial-in conversation.

    Regarding the IBM proposal for additional types,

    I agree that a manufacturer providing a driver intended to work only with
    one particular printer may want to include a list of very specific print
    media names, so that it's clear to the end user exactly which media will
    work or provide the best results; I don't think a "standardized" type list
    provides much value in this context. The developers of the printer firmware
    and the driver software can agree on a name, and the solution works just
    fine.

    But where one print application or driver needs to interoperate with many
    different printers from many different manufacturers, or where the end-user
    is mobile and never sees the package the media came in, a standard list of
    types that are generally descriptive is valuable.

    In my opinion, the standard type string should do two things:
            1. It should enable the printer to produce better output on a
    particular class of medium when that medium is used. (Eg, when I use some
    glossy photo paper and I tell the printer I'm using "photo-glossy", I should
    get better results in some way.)
            2. It should enable the end-user to tell the printer which medium
    to select or expect. This requires that the end-user is able to create an
    intuitive mapping from the medium she wants to print on to the standard
    media type name. (Eg, I know this is photo paper and it's glossy, so
    "photo-glossy" sounds like the closest thing on the list... Or, my package
    says "Hammermill JetPRINT Photo, Gloss Finish", so "photo-glossy" sounds
    like a fit.)

    As Mark pointed out, this second objective is compromised by the number of
    "levels" of gloss we have currently identified, so I'd like to see us reduce
    those to just glossy, satin, and matte; or if necessary, high-gloss,
    medium-gloss, low-gloss, matte.

    To pursue the photo example a bit, if we take the "be very specific"
    approach, I would want to add:
            HP Premium Photo Paper, Glossy
            HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Glossy
            HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Matte
            HP Photo Paper
            HP Photo Quality Inkjet Paper, Matte Finish
            HP Photo Quality Inkjet Paper, Semi-Gloss Finish
    for starters. Is there a duplicate in this list with Mark's
    "MEDIA_HP_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER"? I don't know.

    In fact, "standardizing" every name every manufacturer might want to use
    only gives us a huge list and reduces the chances of intersection and
    therefore interoperability.

    I'd rather see us converge on a relatively small list of types we can
    clearly explain the differences between, rather than an exhaustive list of
    names. (In a UPnP-like environment, the vendor can always extend the list
    of media types supported to include their favorite specific names, which the
    CP can then turn around and offer to the end-user for selection. So an HP
    printer might offer support for "HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Glossy" and an
    Epson printer might offer "Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper", but they would
    both offer "photographic-glossy".)

    Thanks,

    Melinda

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings@CP10.ES.XEROX.COM]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:36 AM
    To: IMAGING@FORUM.UPNP.ORG
    Subject: Telecon, Wed, May 16, 10-12 PDT (1-3 EDT): Media Types for
    Media Std

    Here is the dial-in information:

    Time: May 16, 2001 10:00 - 12:00 PST (1:00 - 3:00 EST)
    Phone: 1-712-271-0309 (8*534-8273 for Xerox folks)
    Passcode: 98099#

    We've reached a proposed consensus on the Media Size syntax. Silence on the
    mailing lists will be interpreted as agreement. Remaining action items from
    the Portland meeting are:

    Media Types - IBM proposed a list of more types (see below).

    Tom Hastings was going to check at Office Depot and Staples to see what
    types are sold there.
    So far research has shown that photographic-xxx is one sided. HP has
    several two-sided glossy and matte as well for brochures and flyers (not
    photographs). (I'll firm that up this afternoon).

    Also the following people volunteered to check for missing sizes:

    Melinda Grant: check PCL sizes
    Don Wright: check Microsoft sizes
    Tom Hastings: check PPD sizes

    Ron (and Don) will not be able to join us for the telecon. I'll take notes.
    We intend this to be the last telecon on the Media Standardized Name
    standard, so we can publish what we have. There will be a registration
    procedure, so if items are missed, they can be registered.

    Two weeks from tomorrow (Wed, May 30), the 10-12 PDT telecon will be for IPP
    FAX (more details and documents later).

    IBM Media Type proposal from IBM:

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark VanderWiele [mailto:markv@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 15:59
    To: Hastings, Tom N
    Cc: Harry Lewis; don@lexmark.com; rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com;
    hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com; shivaun_albright@hp.com
    Subject: RE: Media List

    Tom: First, yes the below list of media names need to somehow be
    represented in the media name spec. This list was generated by a search
    of media names which were use in printer drivers over the last 10 years
    from a variety of printer manufactures. The names were originally provided
    by the various printer manufactures to match medias that could be used with
    the device. Since these name are used in existing drivers and in many
    cases match the documentation that came with the printer or the actual
    packaging on the media it would be best to add them with short discriptions
    than elimanate them.

    If a user buys HP PREMIUM PHOTO PAPER will they know to select GLOSSY,HIGH
    GLOSS, SATIN, OR SEMIGLOSS. We have found it is best to have the common
    names.

     * MEDIA_NONE */ "None" realy means media default,
    /* MEDIA_PLAIN */ "Plain - standard white multi-purpose
    paper",

    /* MEDIA_GLOSSY */ "Media that has Glossy coating",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL */ "Special coated paper",
    /* MEDIA_COATED */ "Standard Coated paper",
    /* MEDIA_BACKPRINT */ "Transparent inside Window stickers -
    prints backwards"
    /* MEDIA_CLOTH */ "Used to print on Fabric",
    /* MEDIA_THICK */ "Media slighty thiker and stiffer than
    standard plain multi-purpose paper",
    /* MEDIA_HIGH_GLOSS_FILM */ "High Gloss Film",
    /* MEDIA_HIGH_RESOLUTION */ "High Resolution",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL_360 */ "Special 360 used for 360 resolution
    printing",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL_720 */ "Special 720 used for 720 resolution
    printing",
    /* MEDIA_PLAIN_ENHANCED */ "Plain Enhanced",
    /* MEDIA_IRON_ON */ "Iron-on - Media used for heat transfer
    to fabric",
    /* MEDIA_LABECA */ "Labeca",
    /* MEDIA_THERMAL */ "Thermal paper",
    /* MEDIA_CD_MASTER */ "CD-master", CD or CD label
    /* MEDIA_CARDBOARD */ "Cardboard",
    /* MEDIA_POSTCARD */ "Postcard",
    /* MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER */ "Photographic Paper",
    /* MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_LABEL */ "Photographic Label",
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_PAPER */ "Premium Paper",
    /* MEDIA_HP_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER */ "HP Photographic Paper",
    /* MEDIA_PREPRINTED */ "Preprinted"
    /* MEDIA_LETTERHEAD */ "Letterhead"
    /* MEDIA_PREPUNCHED */ "Prepunched"
    /* MEDIA_BOND */ "Bond"
    /* MEDIA_RECYCLED */ "Recycled"
    /* MEDIA_ROUGH */ "Rough"
    /* MEDIA_VELLUM */ "Vellum"
    /* MEDIA_HEAVY */ "Heavy"
    /* MEDIA_DRILLED */ "Drilled"
    /* MEDIA_THICK_PAPER */ "Thick Paper"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_HEAVYWEIGHT */ "Premium InkJet Heavyweight"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_TRANSPARENCY */ "Premium Transparency"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_PHOTO */ "Premium Photo"
    /* MEDIA_BROCHURE_GLOSSY */ "Brochure Glossy"
    /* MEDIA_BROCHURE_MATTE */ "Brochure Matte"
    /* MEDIA_THIN_PAPER */ "Thin Paper"
    /* MEDIA_TOUGH */ "Tough"
    /* MEDIA_SOFT_GLOSS_PAPER */ "Soft gloss paper"

    Regards,
    Mark VanderWiele
    IBM, Linux Technology Center
    512-838-4779, t/l 678
    MARKV@IBMUS
    email: markv@us.ibm.com

    For comparison, the Draft 8 text, May 7, 2001, has the following description
    for the Media Type Names:

    Media Type Names
    The standardized Media Type Names are defined in Table 1. The base set of
    these names is derived from the Printer MIB [PRT-MIB] and "Media Features
    for Display, Print, and Fax" [FEATURES] documents. Additional values MAY be
    registered according to both [TAG-REG] and [IPP-MOD].
    The Ref column indicates the source document(s) for the name.
                    1 = The Printer MIB [PRT-MIB].
                    3 = Media Features for Display, Print, and Fax [FEATURES].
                    5 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The
    name in this document is derived from the "media-front-coating" and
    "media-back-coating" member attributes by adding the 'photographic-' prefix
    to the IPP keyword values.

    Table 1 - Standardized Media Type Names
    Keyword
    Description
    Ref.
    stationery
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material
    1, 3
    stationery-coated
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material with a coating of unspecified
    type

    stationery-inkjet
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material whose coating is designed to
    minimize the spread of liquid inks

    transparency
    Separately cut sheets of a transparent material
    1, 3
    envelope
    Envelopes that can be used for conventional mailing purposes
    1, 3
    envelope-plain
    Envelopes that are not preprinted and have no windows
    1, 3
    envelope-window
    Envelopes that have windows for addressing purposes
    1
    continuous
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material - which edge is
    connected is not specified
    3
    continuous-long
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material connected along the long
    edge
    1
    continuous-short
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material connected along the
    short edge
    1
    tab-stock
    Media with tabs [either pre-cut or full-cut]
    1
    pre-cut-tabs
    Media with tabs that are cut so that more than one tab is visible extending
    out beyond the edge of non-tabbed media in an Output-Document.

    full-cut-tabs
    Media with a tab that runs the full length of the sheet so that only one
    tab is visible extending out beyond the edge of non-tabbed media in an
    Output-Document.

    multi-part-form
    Form medium composed of multiple layers not pre-attached to one another;
    each sheet may be drawn separately from an input source
    1
    labels
    Label stock [For example, a sheet of peel-off labels].
    1
    multi-layer
    Form medium composed of multiple layers which are pre-attached to one
    another; e.g., for use with impact printers.
    1
    screen
    A refreshable display
    3
    screen-paged
    A refreshable display which cannot scroll
    3
    photographic
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material to produce photographic quality
    images. The coating is unspecified.

    photographic-glossy
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-high-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "high-gloss" coating
    to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-semi-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "semi-gloss" coating
    to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-satin
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "satin" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-matte
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-film
    Separately cut sheets of film used to produce photographic quality images.

    back-print-film
    Separately cut sheet of a translucent film that the user can view with or
    without backlighting.

    cardstock
    Separately cut sheets of a heavier or stiffer opaque material than
    stationery

    roll
    A continuous roll of media with no predefined page separation points.



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