IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progr

IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progr

Re: IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 12, 2004

From: Harry Lewis (harryl@us.ibm.com)
Date: Mon Mar 15 2004 - 22:11:23 EST

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    Brings to mind a space ship that flew by Earth during the violent
    formation stage and, not touching base again until the ice age... makes
    the assumption it is too cold for anything to be moving down there. They
    may be right in any case... but you have to admit... the process lends
    itself to humorous interpretation.
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
    http://www.pwg.org
    IBM Printing Systems
    http://www.ibm.com/printers
    303-924-5337
    ----------------------------------------------

    <carl@manros.com>
    Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org
    03/15/2004 03:39 PM
    Please respond to
    carl

    To
    "Ipp@Pwg. Org" <ipp@pwg.org>
    cc
    "Carl-Uno Manros" <carl@manros.com>, "Tom Hastings"
    <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>
    Subject
    IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft
    documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April
    12, 2004

    All,

    I agree with Tom Hastings that the interest for these drafts have
    decreased
    dramatically since they were first created almost 3 years ago. I clear
    sign
    is that were have not responded to comments from our Area Director
    received
    a very long time ago.
    It also seems that there is a lack of interest to implement the features
    in
    these drafts from vendors, so who would we be writing these standards for?
    I
    think we are just spinning our wheels to no effect!

    However, before we officially ask the IETF secretariat to kill off these
    documents for good, I would like to give everybody in the WG a chance to
    comment.

    If you or your organization still have interest in pursuing the completion
    of any of these 4 draft documents, I want to hear from you on the IPP DL
    no
    later than April 12, 2004. This gives you plenty of time to think this
    over
    one more time.

    If we decide to drop these documents is also means that we can drop the
    IPP
    WG as an active IETF WG. As stated, the IPP DL will still remain in place
    for discussion of the RFCs that have made it to Proposed Standards or
    Informational earlier in the WG life cycle.

    If we don't hear from you before the deadline, it will be interpreted as
    if
    you agree to close down any further work in the WG.

    Regards,

    Carl-Uno Manros
    Chair of IETF IPP WG
    700 Carnegie Street #3724
    Henderson, NV 89052, USA
    Tel +1-702-617-9414
    Fax +1-702-617-9417
    Mob +1-702-525-0727
    Email carl@manros.com
    Web www.manros.com

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-ipp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Hastings,
    > Tom N
    > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:49 PM
    > To: Manros, Carl-Uno
    > Cc: ipp@pwg.org
    > Subject: IPP> Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP documents and
    > close down the IETF IPP WG
    >
    >
    > Carl-Uno,
    >
    > You asked me to proposed actions about the remaining IPP
    > documents that are
    > in the IETF standards track, since I'm the editor of them.
    >
    > After talking with you and others, it seems best to withdraw the
    remaining
    > IETF IPP documents and close down the IPP WG. There does not seem to be
    > sufficient interest in implementing these specifications to warrant
    > continuing them. With only one or two companies are interested, it is
    > better not to pursue these documents in the IETF. The IPP DL will
    remain
    > indefinitely for discussions about IPP RFCs, issues, registrations, etc.
    >
    >
    > From the IESG ID Status Tracker, the IPP WG has 4 documents:
    >
    > 1. "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): IPP Event Notifications and
    > Subscriptions", R. Herriot and T. Hastings, 2/21/2003,
    > <draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt> (Proposed standard)
    >
    > Draft Name: draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
    > IESG Discussion: Available
    > Version: 11
    > Intended Status: Proposed Standard
    > On Next Agenda? No
    > Current State: IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
    > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
    > Status Date: 2003-02-13
    > Note: Revised version needed to address discuss comments
    >
    >
    > 2. "Internet Printing Protocol: Requirements for IPP
    Notifications", T.
    > Hastings, R Bergman, R deBry, 07/23/2001, <draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt>
    > (Informational)
    >
    > Draft Name: draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
    > IESG Discussion: Not Available
    > Version: 06
    > Intended Status: Informational
    > On Next Agenda? No
    > Current State: IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
    > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
    > Status Date: 2003-02-13
    > Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments
    >
    >
    > 3. "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): The 'ippget' Delivery
    Method for
    > Event Notifications", R. Herriot, T. Hastings, and H. Lewis, 2/21/2003,
    > <draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt> (Proposed standard)
    >
    > Draft Name: draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
    > IESG Discussion: Not Available
    > Version: 09
    > Intended Status: Proposed Standard
    > On Next Agenda? No
    > Current State: IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
    > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
    > Status Date: 2003-02-13
    > Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments
    >
    >
    > 4. "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): Job and Printer
    Administrative
    > Operations", T. Hastings, R Bergman, Carl Kugler, 07/23/2001,
    > <draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt> (Proposed standard)
    >
    > Draft Name: draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
    > IESG Discussion: Available
    > Version: 03
    > Intended Status: Proposed Standard
    > On Next Agenda? No
    > Current State: IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
    > Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
    > Status Date:
    > Note: IESG feedback returned to WG 20-Jun-2002; new ID needed
    > with improved
    > security considerations section
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: carl@manros.com [mailto:carl@manros.com]
    > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:53
    > To: ipp@pwg.org
    > Cc: Tom Hastings
    > Subject: FW: New AD and WG Status Request
    > Importance: High
    >
    >
    > Hi all,
    >
    > I am forwarding this message from our new IETF Area Director. I
    > will need to
    > consult with the editors to prepare a reply to Scott Hollenbeck.
    > We need to
    > do that within the next week or so as I will be leaving for a 3
    > week trip to
    > Japan on March 20, so please get back to me ASAP to agree on a phone
    > meeting.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Carl-Uno
    >
    > Carl-Uno Manros
    > 700 Carnegie Street #3724
    > Henderson, NV 89052, USA
    > Tel +1-702-617-9414
    > Fax +1-702-617-9417
    > Mob +1-702-525-0727
    > Email carl@manros.com
    > Web www.manros.com
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Scott Hollenbeck [mailto:sah@428cobrajet.net]
    > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:37 AM
    > To: Andrew Gierth; Carl-Uno Manros; Claudio Allocchio; Donald Eastlake
    > 3rd; Glenn Parsons; Hiroshi Tamura; John Noerenberg; Lisa Dusseault; Ned
    > Freed; Pete Resnick; Rik Drummond; Russ Allbery; Steve Hole
    > Cc: 'Ted Hardie'; sah@428cobrajet.net
    > Subject: New AD and WG Status Request
    > Importance: High
    >
    >
    > All:
    >
    > I had a chance to meet with several of you while at the IETF meeting in
    > Seoul last week. This note is primarily for those of you that I
    > haven't yet
    > met.
    >
    > Ned Freed's IESG term as Applications AD expired with the end of
    > the meeting
    > in Seoul. Ted Hardie and I are now your Applications area directors. My
    > responsibilities will include the following WGs:
    >
    > EDIINT (Rik Drummond)
    > FAX (Claudio Allocchio, Hiroshi Tamura)
    > IMAPEXT (Pete Resnick)
    > IPP (Carl-Uno Manros)
    > MSGTRAK (Steve Hole)
    > NNTPEXT (Ned Freed, Russ Allbery)
    > TRADE (Donald Eastlake 3rd)
    > USEFOR (Pete Resnick, Andrew Gierth)
    > VPIM (John Noerenberg, Glenn Parsons)
    > XMPP (Pete Resnick, Lisa Dusseault)
    >
    > I'd like to get a handle on where each of the these WGs is with respect
    to
    > the milestones identified in your charters. Please take a few moments
    to
    > clue me in this week by responding to this message (private reply to me
    is
    > OK) with a description of WG status, including any open WG actions. If
    > there are outstanding AD actions that you need to have completed, I'd
    like
    > to be made aware of those as well.
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Looking forward to working with you,
    > -Scott-
    >



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