From: Petrie, Glen (glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com)
Date: Mon Dec 17 2007 - 18:03:39 EST
In the P2600 main document there is a very high level generic architecture
of a Hardcopy Device which help to provide a common base for discussion.
Although I am not proposing that we specifically use the P2600 generic
architecture; would it be helpful to the PWG members and the those who will
use the specifications to create the generic MFD architecture, labeling and
general nomenclature to be used of all related specifications. As Bill
points out the terms depend upon our perspective and, thus, can vary.
glen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mfd@pwg.org [mailto:owner-mfd@pwg.org] On Behalf Of William A
> Wagner
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:41 PM
> To: mfd@pwg.org; nchen@okidata.com
> Subject: RE: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available
>
> Some thoughts.
>
> I agree with Pete's distinction between configuration and settings.
> Although
> I have heard "configuration" used to identify a set of settings, using
> "settings" to identify a physical configuration seems quite inappropriate.
>
> Coming from a hardware background, I regard "component" at a much lower
> level than "subunit", although technically the word is correct at any
> level... that is, anything may be considered a component of something.
> "Subunit" retains a physical connotation while component can apply to
> anything. Although it might be a bit muddy as to what a unit is, in this
> context a unit would tend to refer to a physical entity performing a
> primary
> function. A sub-unit would be one step down. So the term would imply some
> physical component performing a relatively high level function. Component
> would have no physical or functional connotation; it is just, in some way,
> a
> part of something.
>
> Clear physical terms are often use for "logical" entities, so things get
> pretty foggy. Although the terms must be defined in the document, it would
> better to follow general usage in of the intended audience. So I guess
> that
> is the answer and the question.
>
> Bill Wagner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-mfd@pwg.org [mailto:owner-mfd@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
> david@lexmark.com
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:38 PM
> To: Ira McDonald
> Cc: Ira McDonald; mfd@pwg.org; nchen@okidata.com; owner-mfd@pwg.org;
> Zehler,
> Peter
> Subject: Re: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available
>
> I, too, hate our use of the term "subunit" and support the change to
> "components."
>
> I also strongly agree with Pete that I don't want the proposed change.
>
> Components are constituent elements. Configuration is the relative
> disposition or arrangement of elements. Therefore, the Configuration is
> made up of Components.
>
> Capabilities depend on the available Components, or the Configuration.
> Settings is a collection of Capabilities and their current state. (We'll
> ignore Heisenberg's uncertainty principle)
>
> dhw
>
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>
> "Ira McDonald"
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> owner-mfd@pwg.org <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com>, "Ira
> McDonald" <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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> 12/17/2007 11:42 nchen@okidata.com, mfd@pwg.org
> AM Subject
> Re: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD
> face-to-face meeting minutes
> available
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>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I see you what you mean, but...
>
> Be aware that DMTF CIM Core WG hates our term "subunits" and has made
> us completely replace it with their term "components".
>
> "Configuration is" just too inherently ambiguous. "Xxx" is just as
> meaningful,
> if the intent is to imply components.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:38 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler@xerox.com> wrote:
> > Ira,
> >
> > I do not want to see that change. When I talk to our driver people
> > "settings" is more closely aligned with the default ticket and
> > capabilities. Settings can be changed by an administrator or End User
> > (often remotely). A configuration can not be as easily changed and
> > involves the addition or removal of hardware. There are other mappings
> > (see
> > <http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa507422.aspx>) that are very
> > closely aligned with the PWG Semantic model. Their Defaults & Allowed
> > Values map to Settings. Their Configuration maps to Subunits (i.e.
> > Configuration).
> >
> > In the PWG Semantic Model the configuration element is the installed
> > hardware for the system or the effective hardware configuration for the
> > service (i.e. the service specific view for the subunits used).
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > Peter Zehler
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-mfd@pwg.org [mailto:owner-mfd@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
> > McDonald
> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:40 PM
> > To: nchen@okidata.com; Ira McDonald
> > Cc: mfd@pwg.org
> > Subject: Re: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available
> >
> >
> > Hi Nancy,
> >
> > Thanks for these excellent and detailed minutes.
> >
> > A comment on element group naming. What Pete (and minutes) referred
> > to as a new group parallel to Capabilities and DefaultJobTicket is
> > always
> > called Settings throughout the classes in the CIM model.
> >
> > We will have to add a PrintServiceSettings and PrintServiceCapabilities
> > classes in our 2008 WIMS-CIM modelling work.
> >
> > I suggest changing Configuration to Settings.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Ira
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2007 2:54 AM, <nchen@okidata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > The meeting minutes is now available as:
> > >
> > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/PWG_MFD_minutes_20071211.pdf
> > > and
> > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/PWG_MFD_minutes_20071211.doc
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for your participations. We had very fun, witty, and
> > > fruitful discussions in the meeting.
> > >
> > > -Nancy
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> --
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
> work: +1-906-494-2434
> home: +1-906-494-2697
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