I don't have any objections to your proposal.
On Fri, 19 Dec 1997, Tom Hastings wrote:
> I am not proposing any change to IPP from the current definition
> of impression which the Model document has as:
>> 12.2.5 impression
>> An "impression" is the image (possibly many print-stream pages in different
> configurations) imposed onto a single media page.
>>>> I am only proposing to add a warning note to the Job Monitoring MIB,
> since we have agreed that impressions include passes past the marker
> that don't make marks, on even the last sheet.
>> I propose to add the following note to the definition of the
> term impressions (to which all attributes and objects contain a reference)
> that we have in the PWG Job Monitoring MIB:
>> NOTE - Since impressions include blank sides, it is suggested that
> accounting application implementers consider charging for sheets, rather
> than impressions, possibly factoring in value of the sides attribute for
> possibly different charges for one versus two-sided printing, since some
> users may think that impressions don't include blank sides.
>>> Here is the definition that we agreed to in principle at the L.A. meeting
> and for which there still seems to be support from most respondents:
>> Impression: For a print job, an impression is the passage of the entire
> side of a sheet by the marker, whether or not any marks are made and
> independent of the number of passes that the side makes past the marker.
> Thus a four pass color process counts as a single impression. One-sided
> processing involves one impression per sheet. Two-sided processing
> involves two impressions per sheet. If a two-sided document has an odd
> number of pages, the last sheet still counts as two impressions, if that
> sheet makes two passes through the marker or the marker marks on both sides
> of a sheet in a single pass. Two-up printing is the placement of two
> logical pages on one side of a sheet and so is still a single impression.
> See "page" and "sheet".
>>> If you have any objections to the note, please voice them today,
> since we are forwarding the Job Mon MIB as an Internet-Draft today.
>>> At 08:45 12/19/1997 PST, Ron Bergman wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Tom Hastings wrote:
> >> At 18:03 12/18/1997 PST, Ron Bergman wrote:
> >> >Tom,
> >> >
> >> >I agree with Bill on this issue, especially that "the point may be moot"
> >> >
> >> >Have you asked Kinkos how they charge in this situation?
> >> I believe that Kinkos charges by the sheet for printing from a PC.
> >> For copying, they have a different rate for one versus two sided
> >> copying. So far, I have not run into a duplex printer at Kinkos,
> >> so I don't know whether they have a policy for two-sided printing.
> >> But if the printing charge is like the copying charge, this issue
> >> would be moot.
> >> >
> >> >We should stick with the agreement per the LA meeting.
> >> Then we may want to add a note that impressions is more for monitoring
> >> and sheets is for monitoring and accounting.
> >Could you post a copy of the note to be added to the DL?
> >> Tom
> >> There is another comment on this issue that was sent only to the IPP DL
> >> suggesting a rather simple algorithm that only worries about the last
> >> sheet, not any other sheets, and only as a recommendation. Is that a good
> >> compromise?
> >The proposed change sounds reasonable.
> >> >X-Sender: spencerdr at vipmail.earthlink.net> >> >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:03:04 PST
> >> >To: "Wagner, William" <WWagner at digprod.com>
> >> >From: David R Spencer <david at spencer.com>
> >> >Subject: RE: IPP> Re: JMP> URGENT: Should impressions include blank last
> >> > page back sides or not?
> >> >Cc: ipp at pwg.org> >> >Sender: ipp-owner at pwg.org> >> >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
> >> garfield.cp10.es.xerox.com id LAA26719
> >> >
> >> >Bill,
> >> >
> >> >I'm just monitoring the group, but isn't there a significant difference
> >> between blank pages within a document and documents in a duplex job with an
> >> odd number of pages causing the COMPLETELY blank back side of the last page
> >> to be counted? Almost all page printers include an option for not printing
> >> such completely blank pages, and I think the point about user concern is
> >> well taken.
> >> >
> >> >Therefore, perhaps the sentence in the definition of impression:
> >> >> If a two-sided document has an odd number of pages, the last sheet still
> >> counts as two impressions, if that sheet makes two passes through the
> >> marker or the marker marks on both sides of a sheet in a single pass.
> >> >should be:
> >> >If a two-sided document has an odd number of pages and there are no marks
> >> to be made on second side of the last sheet, the last sheet should count as
> >> one impression, instead of two, even if that sheet makes two passes through
> >> the marker.
> >> >
> >> >David R. Spencer
> >> >
> >> >Spencer & Associates Publishing, Ltd.
> >> >Three Giffard Way, Melville, NY 11747-2310
> >> >david at spencer.com> >> >1-516-367-6655 Fax:1-516-367-2878
> >> >http://www.spencer.com> >
> > Ron Bergman
> > Dataproducts Corp.