IPP Mail Archive: FW: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

IPP Mail Archive: FW: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

FW: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

From: Hastings, Tom N (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Date: Thu Apr 19 2001 - 20:01:07 EDT

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    This mail note brings up the conversion issue of the client converting the
    media units from one to the other in order to display the units in the
    locale of the user.

    It was not forwarded to the IPP list.

    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Hamzy [mailto:hamzy@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:18
    To: Mark VanderWiele; hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com; Harry Lewis; Pete
    Zannucci
    Subject: RE: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

    Here are two examples. There are around 10 or so that I found.
         4.375*254=1111.25
         10.830*254=2750.82

    There is a need to convert from one to another. One case would be that a
    driver keeps one units of measurement internally and converts as needed
    externally. User interfaces should have the ability to let the user decide
    what units of measurement to display in, so you would need to give a letter
    form in metric measurement.
    I think that both could be acceptable as input. For the metric user,
    letter would look like letter.2159-2794. I think that the na- prefix is
    akward. It would be better to place it in front of the dimension. Also,
    it would allow other units of measurement to be used (twips for example).

    Mark

     

                        Mark

                        VanderWiele To: Mark
    Hamzy/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Pete
                                              Zannucci/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
    hamzy@jumpnet.com
                        04/18/01 06:28 cc:

                        PM From: Mark
    VanderWiele/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
                                             Subject: RE: IPP> Media
    Standardized Names -
                                              Units

     

     

     

    Regards,
    Mark VanderWiele
    IBM, Linux Technology Center
    512-838-4779, t/l 678
    MARKV@IBMUS
    email: markv@us.ibm.com
    ---------------------- Forwarded by Mark VanderWiele/Austin/IBM on
    04/18/2001 06:28 PM ---------------------------

    HARRY LEWIS
    04/18/2001 04:05 PM

    To: Mark VanderWiele/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
    cc:
    From: Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS
    Subject: RE: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

    Mark, I forget who it was in your office who brought this up. Do they care
    to address this?
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
    ----------------------------------------------
    ----- Forwarded by Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM on 04/18/2001 03:02 PM -----
     

                        "Hastings, Tom N"

                        <hastings@cp10.es. To: Harry Lewis
    <harryl@us.ibm.com>,
                        xerox.com> RonBergman@aol.com

                        Sent by: cc: ipp@pwg.org

                        owner-ipp@pwg.org Subject: RE: IPP> Media
    Standardized Names -
                                                  Units

     

                        04/17/2001 06:02

                        PM

     

     

    Harry,

    There are exactly 254 mm in an inch, so the precision is about the same,
    the
    inches are about 4 times more precise than the metric units.

    For example, the two most popular Self Describing Size Names are:

    The letter size (8.5 inches by 11 inches) used in North America:
    na-letter.8500-11000
    The iso A4 size (210 mm by 297 mm) used in metric countries:
    iso-a4.2100-2970

    Note that they both have about the same number of digits in each dimension,
    namely around 4.

    Also there isn't any need to convert from inches to mm or vice versa,
    because the paper size is given ONLY in the natural units for the usage.
    So
    North American sizes only use 1000ths of inches and aren't converted to mm.
    Similarly, the non-English sizes are always given in 10ths of mm and aren't
    converted to inches. Therefore, there is never any rounding errors to
    worry
    about.

    The only rounding that could occur, is if some paper size is actually in
    some fraction of inches, or mm, such as 200 1/3 mm or 10 1/3 inches. But I
    don't think we have any sizes like that.

    Ok?

    Tom

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 15:33
    To: RonBergman@aol.com
    Cc: ipp@pwg.org
    Subject: IPP> Media Standardized Names - Units

    I'm questioning the use of 1/1000 for English but only 1/10 for metric.
    Not only are we loosing precision, but, also introducing rounding errors
    during conversion from English to metric . I know the printer MIB heritage
    is 1/1000 English and 1/10 metric... but
    I think we should try to be more precise in this new media mapping.
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
    ----------------------------------------------

    RonBergman@aol.com
    Sent by: owner-ipp@pwg.org
    04/09/2001 02:26 PM

            To: <ipp@pwg.org>, <upd@pwg.org>
            cc:
            Subject: IPP> Fwd: FW: Media Standardized Names, Version
    D0.6
    is now available

    ----- Message from "Bergman, Ron" <Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com> on Mon, 9
    Apr 2001 08:02:14 -0700 -----
    To:
    "'RonBergman@aol.com'" <RonBergman@aol.com>
    Subject:
    FW: Media Standardized Names, Version D0.6 is now available

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@HITACHI-HKIS.COM]
    Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:01 AM
    To: IMAGING@FORUM.UPNP.ORG
    Subject: Media Standardized Names, Version D0.6 is now available

    All,

    The latest draft is now available at:

            ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/media-sizes/pwg-media-06.pdf (or .doc)

    I will not repeat the abstract here or the list of changes. This
    information is
    available within the document, if you are interested. The major change to
    this
    version is the addition of the "Media Finish Names".

    This document will have a final review in the PWG meetings during the week
    of April 23rd and should then be ready for last call.

            Ron Bergman
            Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions



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