WBMM> 21 August WBMM Conference Call

WBMM> 21 August WBMM Conference Call

WBMM> 21 August WBMM Conference Call

Harry Lewis harryl at us.ibm.com
Tue Aug 19 01:23:24 EDT 2003

Unfortunately, with the shifting of days back and forth I've lost my grip 
on this meeting. I won't be able to make it this week. I've got it plugged 
in for Wednesday 8/27 and Wednesday's thereafter... as originally 
Harry Lewis 
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
IBM Printing Systems 

"Wagner,William" <WWagner at NetSilicon.com> 
Sent by: owner-wbmm at pwg.org
08/18/2003 07:58 PM

<wbmm at pwg.org>

WBMM> 21 August  WBMM Conference Call


Reminder about this  week's WBMM conference call, on Thursday again this 
week (but due  to return to Wednesday  thereafter). I understand that 
Harry  will set up  a  WebEX-like  capability.  However, I suggest that 
you pull  copies of the documents identified below from the PWG site and 
the HP site.

Time:12:00 PM EDT (9:00 AM PDT) Thursday  August  21 2003
Call-in US Toll-free: 1-877-874-5524
Call-in International/Toll: 1-712-455-8420
Participant Identification number: 497478

The primary subject  is a consideration of the objectives  of WBMM (as 
represented in the charter, which has been approved) relative  to the  Web 
Services Management  Framework (WSMF) that is being developed by HP.

Bob Tailor responded  to  a query about WSMF versus WBMM as follows:

"HP does believe strongly in the WSMF as a basis for standards for the 
management of web services.  We do expect management of printers, MFPs and 
print services to move in this direction over time."

I would ask that interested participants review the extensive  (albeit 
somewhat abstract) information on WSMF at  

This  information declares that WSMF is "model  neutral", indeed  stating 
that, "in the future, further examples and white papers will be provided 
on how the management information from specific models like MIB/SNMP, 
CIM/WBEM, and JMX/JSR77 to WSMF can be achieved." This would suggest that 
WBMM efforts on further  defining an imaging  management model may be 
compatible with WSMF, or whatever the framework may evolve into.

Yet, it is unclear that the rest of the  framework fully addresses the 
scenarios that WBMM has defined, although it seems geared up  to address 
some  much more  complicated use  cases.

I have also reworked the  WBMM "definitions"  document and would suggest 
this as an outline for a partitioning the WBMM effort. Indeed, depending 
upon our take on WSMF, some  of the  partitions may be covered there and 
need not be addressed  by  the PWG

The WBMM working group  objective is to provide a standard way to address 
the  uses cases in the WBMM scenario. We  intend neither to arbitrarily 
fight WSMF nor to passively give way to it. WSMF is, as  one would expect, 
not imaging specific. On one hand, this is  positive  in that  it may 
become an accepted framework upon which a specific  imaging model may  be 
hung.  On the  other hand, as  in past cases, it  may hampered by 
non-imaging  folks simplistic  view of  what imaging and imaging "object" 
management entails. And this relates  not only to the management model but 
to  the operations and delivery.

We would very much appreciate your take  on this development, which 
illustrates the  important of defining a consistent Web Based management 
approach,  but may wind up evolving into a  late and suboptimal solution 
for imaging devises and services.

Many thanks

Bill Wagner

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